Football 2025 Hall of Infamy: Round 1, Heat 4.

**Rain Man** · 05-23-2025, 09:13 PM

Pick up to EIGHT people in the poll who best meet the following voting criteria:

Brought "shame, dishonor, disgust, or embarrassment" to the sport of professional football.

The top-eight vote-getters will move on to Round 2.

Bump · 05-23-2025, 09:14 PM

inb4 poll

**Rain Man** · 05-23-2025, 09:26 PM

This is an odd heat. There are a lot of low-rent people, but actually very few that I think are contenders for the inaugural class. Regardless, I found people to vote for.

Ray Rice - You can't hit a woman (on camera).

Peyton Manning - Not nearly as objectionable as his brother, but it chafes me that the NFL handed him a commemorative Super Bowl ring, and we've got the HGH issue and the college teabagging thing to fall back on.

Willie McGinest, Jr. - It annoys me that he tries to act classy on TV but then he joins a group of people to beat down a guy in a restaurant? Utterly classless.

Kellen Winslow, Jr. - Garden-level low life. Nothing huge, just an annoying character.

John Madden - Gross, greasy person who promoted dirty play for years and later acted like he was a nice guy. We all know better, you cheater.

ChiefsAholic - Bank robber. Poseur. Bad human being.

Pat Bowlen - You know that he led the effort to cheat on the salary cap, and he tolerated dirty players on his team. A good owner would have put his foot down.

Charles Martin - Eh, run of the mill dirty player. I probably should have given Greg Hardy this spot, but messed up.

Ocotillo · 05-23-2025, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Kellen Winslow, Jr. - Garden-level low life. Nothing huge, just an annoying character.

Nothing huge? He's by the far the biggest dirtball on here.

He's serving a prison sentence for five rapes! One of them a hitchhiker, another a homeless woman and another he raped while she was unconscious!

https://nypost.com/2021/03/03/ex-nfl...ars-for-rapes/

Bump · 05-23-2025, 09:36 PM

ya Winslow Jr was a true piece of shit off the field and got worse after he retired

threebag · 05-23-2025, 09:37 PM

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**Rain Man** · 05-23-2025, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocotillo

Nothing huge? He's by the far the biggest dirtball on here.

He's serving a prison sentence for five rapes! One of them a hitchhiker, another a homeless woman and another he raped while she was unconscious!

https://nypost.com/2021/03/03/ex-nfl...ars-for-rapes/

Oh, my. I didn't know about that. That article got worse and worse as I read it. I'm glad I voted for him.

**wazu** · 05-24-2025, 07:04 AM

Yeah, very weak heat. ChatGPT's breakdown:

1. Ray Rice
Infamy Level: Very High
Reason: Ray Rice’s infamy is largely tied to the infamous domestic violence incident in 2014. The video of him knocking out his then-fiancée, Janay Palmer (now his wife), in an elevator was released to the public, and it caused an outcry that led to his indefinite suspension from the NFL. The incident sparked widespread discussions about the league's handling of domestic violence cases and the culture surrounding it. Rice's case remains one of the most infamous off-field incidents in NFL history.

2. Greg Hardy
Infamy Level: High
Reason: Hardy's notoriety comes from his history of legal issues, particularly a domestic violence incident in 2014. Hardy was convicted of assaulting his ex-girlfriend, though the charges were later dropped after she refused to testify. The NFL suspended him for 10 games, later reduced to 4, which sparked public backlash about the league’s handling of such issues. His on-field performance (when he played) was strong, but his off-field behavior overshadowed his career.

3. Kellen Winslow, Jr.
Infamy Level: High
Reason: Winslow was once considered one of the best tight ends in the league, but his career was marred by several legal issues. In 2019, Winslow was convicted of rape and other charges, which led to a prison sentence. Prior to this, Winslow also had a history of strange and criminal behavior, including an arrest for public indecency and other offenses. His legal troubles and the nature of his crimes have given him a notorious reputation.

4. Jon Baldwin
Infamy Level: Medium-High
Reason: Baldwin was a first-round pick for the Kansas City Chiefs in 2011, but his career was a failure both on and off the field. He never lived up to expectations and was released after a few years. His infamy mostly stems from reports of a violent altercation with teammate Brady Quinn in the locker room. Baldwin later faced several legal issues, including a couple of arrests. He never became a prominent figure, but his troubled career earned him some notoriety.

5. Chiefsaholic (superfan)
Infamy Level: Medium-High
Reason: Chiefsaholic, a well-known Kansas City Chiefs superfan, was arrested in 2023 for a string of armed robberies. His infamy comes not from his NFL association, but from the revelation that he was leading a double life as a criminal while parading around as a beloved fan of the team. This shocked many in the Chiefs’ fan base and drew significant media attention, making him one of the more bizarre and criminally infamous characters in recent NFL history.

6. Fred Williamson
Infamy Level: Medium
Reason: While Fred Williamson was a dominant player in the 1960s and 1970s, as well as a Hollywood actor, his infamy comes mostly from his outspoken and controversial persona. He was known for his brash behavior on and off the field, and his post-playing career has been marked by involvement in various controversies, including his outspoken criticisms of the NFL. He’s not infamous for criminal activity, but rather for his bold and sometimes divisive opinions.

7. Willie McGinest
Infamy Level: Medium
Reason: McGinest is an NFL legend, known for his time with the New England Patriots, but he has also had some brushes with controversy. In 2023, McGinest was involved in an altercation at a Los Angeles nightclub that led to felony assault charges. This incident, while not as damaging as others on this list, certainly caused a stir due to McGinest’s reputation as a respected former player.

8. Pat Bowlen
Infamy Level: Medium
Reason: Pat Bowlen is known for his success as the owner of the Denver Broncos, leading the team to multiple championships. His infamy is mostly tied to the fact that, in his later years, Bowlen became a figure of public scrutiny due to his battle with Alzheimer's disease and subsequent disputes about the future control of the Broncos. While his legacy is largely positive, the family's internal struggles over ownership have become a bit of a public spectacle.

9. Joe Greene
Infamy Level: Low
Reason: Joe Greene is one of the most legendary figures in NFL history, known for his dominant play with the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 1970s. His infamy is minimal—Greene has no significant scandals or off-field issues. He is largely remembered for his contributions to the NFL as a Hall of Fame defensive lineman and for being the face of the Steelers' "Steel Curtain" defense.

10. Randy Gradishar
Infamy Level: Low
Reason: Gradishar was a standout linebacker for the Denver Broncos, but he is not widely known for any scandals or negative off-field behavior. His infamy is practically nonexistent compared to others on this list. He remains a respected figure in the history of the Broncos and the NFL in general, though his Hall of Fame candidacy has been a source of some debate over the years.

11. Charles Martin
Infamy Level: Low
Reason: Martin is infamous primarily for his role in one of the most notorious on-field incidents in NFL history. In 1986, he body-slammed quarterback Jim McMahon of the Chicago Bears after a play had ended, causing a significant injury to McMahon. The act was considered one of the dirtiest plays in NFL history, leading to Martin’s suspension. Beyond this incident, Martin’s career didn’t generate much more attention, and he never achieved long-term fame.

12. Peyton Manning
Infamy Level: Low
Reason: Manning is considered one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and while he's been involved in minor controversies throughout his career (including an alleged sexual harassment case in college that was settled), his reputation is mostly spotless. He is widely respected for his on-field success and his philanthropic work. His infamy is much lower than many others on this list, and he’s seen as more of a beloved figure than a controversial one.

13. John Madden
Infamy Level: Low
Reason: Madden is one of the most beloved figures in NFL history. While he did have his share of outspoken opinions, and he was involved in some minor controversies over the years, his legacy is mostly positive. As a coach, broadcaster, and video game icon, Madden transcended the NFL in a way that almost no other figure has. His passing in 2021 was mourned by millions, and he is remembered with respect.

MarkDavis'Haircut · 05-24-2025, 10:20 AM

I enjoy this whole exercise but many of the submissions are based more on personal and fandom dislike than meeting the actual criteria.

**wazu** · 05-24-2025, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut

I enjoy this whole exercise but many of the submissions are based more on personal and fandom dislike than meeting the actual criteria.

Yeah, Rainman is generally about facilitating even-handed democracy and letting the chips fall where they may, but democracy sometimes has a downside. I trust that in the end we'll come up with a good "dirty dozen" initial class, and it will be stronger for having survived the test of Chiefsplanet homerism.

Ocotillo · 05-24-2025, 02:15 PM

**** Randy Gradishar.

He's one of the reasons why that cult the Promise Keepers became a thing.

Nothing worse than seeing middle aged men come together and cry like a bunch of pansies. **** the Promise Keepers, **** Gradishar and **** the whole state of Colorado!

**Rain Man** · 05-26-2025, 10:53 PM

The eight moving on are:

Chiefsaholic (superfan)
Ray Rice
Kellen Winslow, Jr.
The anti-Bienemy "Chiefs Editorial Board" article writers
Pat Bowlen
Peyton Manning
Willie McGinest
Greg Hardy

Gotta admit: I'm a little disappointed that John Madden isn't moving on.

View Poll Results: Vote for UP TO 8 per the definition in the thread.
Ray Rice	49	81.67%
Peyton Manning	17	28.33%
Willie McGinest	16	26.67%
Joe Greene	2	3.33%
Kellen Winslow, Jr.	37	61.67%
John Madden	5	8.33%
Chiefsaholic (superfan)	49	81.67%
Randy Gradishar	5	8.33%
Pat Bowlen	20	33.33%
Fred Williamson	5	8.33%
Charles Martin	5	8.33%
Barrett Robbins	16	26.67%
Jon Baldwin	8	13.33%
Greg Hardy	16	26.67%
The anti-Bienemy "Chiefs Editorial Board" article writers	20	33.33%
All of these are good ambassadors for the sport.	0	0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 60. You may not vote on this poll

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Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-772449 VARSITY	This is an odd heat. There are a lot of low-rent people, but actually very few that I think are contenders for the inaugural class. Regardless, I found people to vote for. Ray Rice - You can't hit a woman (on camera). Peyton Manning - Not nearly as objectionable as his brother, but it chafes me that the NFL handed him a commemorative Super Bowl ring, and we've got the HGH issue and the college teabagging thing to fall back on. Willie McGinest, Jr. - It annoys me that he tries to act classy on TV but then he joins a group of people to beat down a guy in a restaurant? Utterly classless. Kellen Winslow, Jr. - Garden-level low life. Nothing huge, just an annoying character. John Madden - Gross, greasy person who promoted dirty play for years and later acted like he was a nice guy. We all know better, you cheater. ChiefsAholic - Bank robber. Poseur. Bad human being. Pat Bowlen - You know that he led the effort to cheat on the salary cap, and he tolerated dirty players on his team. A good owner would have put his foot down. Charles Martin - Eh, run of the mill dirty player. I probably should have given Greg Hardy this spot, but messed up. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $-1787705 VARSITY	Yeah, very weak heat. ChatGPT's breakdown: 1. Ray Rice Infamy Level: Very High Reason: Ray Rice’s infamy is largely tied to the infamous domestic violence incident in 2014. The video of him knocking out his then-fiancée, Janay Palmer (now his wife), in an elevator was released to the public, and it caused an outcry that led to his indefinite suspension from the NFL. The incident sparked widespread discussions about the league's handling of domestic violence cases and the culture surrounding it. Rice's case remains one of the most infamous off-field incidents in NFL history. 2. Greg Hardy Infamy Level: High Reason: Hardy's notoriety comes from his history of legal issues, particularly a domestic violence incident in 2014. Hardy was convicted of assaulting his ex-girlfriend, though the charges were later dropped after she refused to testify. The NFL suspended him for 10 games, later reduced to 4, which sparked public backlash about the league’s handling of such issues. His on-field performance (when he played) was strong, but his off-field behavior overshadowed his career. 3. Kellen Winslow, Jr. Infamy Level: High Reason: Winslow was once considered one of the best tight ends in the league, but his career was marred by several legal issues. In 2019, Winslow was convicted of rape and other charges, which led to a prison sentence. Prior to this, Winslow also had a history of strange and criminal behavior, including an arrest for public indecency and other offenses. His legal troubles and the nature of his crimes have given him a notorious reputation. 4. Jon Baldwin Infamy Level: Medium-High Reason: Baldwin was a first-round pick for the Kansas City Chiefs in 2011, but his career was a failure both on and off the field. He never lived up to expectations and was released after a few years. His infamy mostly stems from reports of a violent altercation with teammate Brady Quinn in the locker room. Baldwin later faced several legal issues, including a couple of arrests. He never became a prominent figure, but his troubled career earned him some notoriety. 5. Chiefsaholic (superfan) Infamy Level: Medium-High Reason: Chiefsaholic, a well-known Kansas City Chiefs superfan, was arrested in 2023 for a string of armed robberies. His infamy comes not from his NFL association, but from the revelation that he was leading a double life as a criminal while parading around as a beloved fan of the team. This shocked many in the Chiefs’ fan base and drew significant media attention, making him one of the more bizarre and criminally infamous characters in recent NFL history. 6. Fred Williamson Infamy Level: Medium Reason: While Fred Williamson was a dominant player in the 1960s and 1970s, as well as a Hollywood actor, his infamy comes mostly from his outspoken and controversial persona. He was known for his brash behavior on and off the field, and his post-playing career has been marked by involvement in various controversies, including his outspoken criticisms of the NFL. He’s not infamous for criminal activity, but rather for his bold and sometimes divisive opinions. 7. Willie McGinest Infamy Level: Medium Reason: McGinest is an NFL legend, known for his time with the New England Patriots, but he has also had some brushes with controversy. In 2023, McGinest was involved in an altercation at a Los Angeles nightclub that led to felony assault charges. This incident, while not as damaging as others on this list, certainly caused a stir due to McGinest’s reputation as a respected former player. 8. Pat Bowlen Infamy Level: Medium Reason: Pat Bowlen is known for his success as the owner of the Denver Broncos, leading the team to multiple championships. His infamy is mostly tied to the fact that, in his later years, Bowlen became a figure of public scrutiny due to his battle with Alzheimer's disease and subsequent disputes about the future control of the Broncos. While his legacy is largely positive, the family's internal struggles over ownership have become a bit of a public spectacle. 9. Joe Greene Infamy Level: Low Reason: Joe Greene is one of the most legendary figures in NFL history, known for his dominant play with the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 1970s. His infamy is minimal—Greene has no significant scandals or off-field issues. He is largely remembered for his contributions to the NFL as a Hall of Fame defensive lineman and for being the face of the Steelers' "Steel Curtain" defense. 10. Randy Gradishar Infamy Level: Low Reason: Gradishar was a standout linebacker for the Denver Broncos, but he is not widely known for any scandals or negative off-field behavior. His infamy is practically nonexistent compared to others on this list. He remains a respected figure in the history of the Broncos and the NFL in general, though his Hall of Fame candidacy has been a source of some debate over the years. 11. Charles Martin Infamy Level: Low Reason: Martin is infamous primarily for his role in one of the most notorious on-field incidents in NFL history. In 1986, he body-slammed quarterback Jim McMahon of the Chicago Bears after a play had ended, causing a significant injury to McMahon. The act was considered one of the dirtiest plays in NFL history, leading to Martin’s suspension. Beyond this incident, Martin’s career didn’t generate much more attention, and he never achieved long-term fame. 12. Peyton Manning Infamy Level: Low Reason: Manning is considered one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and while he's been involved in minor controversies throughout his career (including an alleged sexual harassment case in college that was settled), his reputation is mostly spotless. He is widely respected for his on-field success and his philanthropic work. His infamy is much lower than many others on this list, and he’s seen as more of a beloved figure than a controversial one. 13. John Madden Infamy Level: Low Reason: Madden is one of the most beloved figures in NFL history. While he did have his share of outspoken opinions, and he was involved in some minor controversies over the years, his legacy is mostly positive. As a coach, broadcaster, and video game icon, Madden transcended the NFL in a way that almost no other figure has. His passing in 2021 was mourned by millions, and he is remembered with respect.
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Ocotillo Veteran Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Red state Casino cash: $0	** Randy Gradishar. He's one of the reasons why that cult the Promise Keepers became a thing. Nothing worse than seeing middle aged men come together and cry like a bunch of pansies. the Promise Keepers, Gradishar and ** the whole state of Colorado!
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05-26-2025, 10:53 PM	#12
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-772449 VARSITY	The eight moving on are: Chiefsaholic (superfan) Ray Rice Kellen Winslow, Jr. The anti-Bienemy "Chiefs Editorial Board" article writers Pat Bowlen Peyton Manning Willie McGinest Greg Hardy Gotta admit: I'm a little disappointed that John Madden isn't moving on. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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