Your grade of each individual pick in our draft. - Page 2

Direckshun · 04-26-2009, 04:05 PM

Here goes...

1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - B

I understand the Chiefs had three options: (a.) trade down when nobody wants to, (b.) take a player at good value but zero need, or (c.) make a slight reach for extreme need. The last was the best choice here, but I thought Raji would have been the better pick. Nevertheless, it's hard to complain about the best pure 3-4 DE in this Draft.

3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue - A

This was solid value for a player that will help this team out every bit that Jackson will. Magee is a very high character guy that was born with a lunchpail mentality. I hesitate to say he's the 2nd best pure 3-4 DE in this Draft, but I can't name anybody but Jackson that's obviously better. He will likely start right away.

4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State - B

Washington was great value, and if this was anywhere near being a need for us, this is an A. Simple as that. But there were so many OL and OLB available here that would have been great picks for us it's hard for me to get that excited about him. Washington should start over Carr on day one.

5. OT Cody Brown, Missouri - F

Thank god for Oakland... otherwise this would be considered the biggest reach of the draft. In the 5th round, that's incredibly hard to do. I don't know what Pioli sees in this guy to suggest he's a powerful run-blocker that could start on this team. I personally believe, right now, this guy can't be anything more than our third RT on the depth chart.

6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State - C

Not crazy about this pick, because I think there were better weapons on the board (but don't I *always* think that?). Still, Lawrence has outstanding speed and if he adjusts pretty well this year, should get some serious playing time next year. He is an intriguing prospect, easily the most interesting of everybody on this particular board.

7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State - A

This was a great, great great great pick. This guy is a poor man's LJ. Which is ironic, considering that right now LJ is a poor man's LJ. This seals the deal for Two-Sev as far as I'm concerned. See ya.

7. TBA

htismaqe · 04-26-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

meaning at least several teams didn't have him rated as a first rounder 4 weeks ago? ouch? if i believed it

I think New England might have had him rated as a 1st rounder all along and as the guys like Pioli, McDaniels, and Mangini got settled in their new gigs and really dug into the draft, they moved him in as well.

bdeg · 04-26-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

You seem pretty excited about the Washington pick. Relatively speaking.

Classic underachiever, but it's hard to complain about a guy with his upside in the 4th.

bdeg · 04-26-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I must say, this is not an exciting draft for me. My hope is that it's a foundation-building draft, getting a lot of guys who will take us from Herm to solid, and then next year we add the sizzle. I'm not seeing a lot of game-changers, though.

I'm optimistic, though, because Pioli is a deity and I'm clueless.

Agree, I think that's exactly what this is. Building from the inside out, if we hadn't added some linemen a pass rusher may not have mattered. It was obvious anyone could run over us at will last season. 5 yds per carry was almost a given, some teams were getting 5 rushing first downs on 5 plays. but what a boring first day, I was sooo disappointed we couldn't trade down, not that I think the pick is terrible.

Saccopoo · 04-26-2009, 07:28 PM

I wish it was Cody Brown.

Anyway...

1. Tyson Jackson, DE; LSU
Grade: B+
- Everyone seems to agree that this was the best 3-4 DE in the draft and we needed one. However, at the #3 spot he was generally regarded as a bit of a reach. One hopes that Jackson ends up being a clone of Richard Seymour in order to justify this high of a pick in the draft. Crabtree or Curry might have been sexier, Monroe might have provided more immediate help, but no one could argue that our defense was borderline incompetent last season. At least we didn't end up with BJ Raji.

If I was picking: Aaron Curry, LB; Wake Forest

3. Alex Magee, DT; Purdue
Grade: D-
- Completely mitigates three years of high round draft choices on the defensive line. Either our current roster is utterly devoid of talent at the D-line positions, or the current staff feels that no one other than Tank (potentially) is capable of playing in a 3-4 system. If we end up trading guys like Hali, McBride and Dorsey for appropriate picks (1st, 2nd, 1st respectively) or players that will immediately contribute, this pick might make sense, but as of right now, it is completely illogical.

If I was picking: Kraig Urbik, OG; Wisconsin

4. Donald Washington, CB; Ohio State
Grade: D
- Carr and Flowers make this a borderline bad pick just for depth purposes. An offensive lineman (Jon Luigs, Troy Kropog) or a quality wide receiver (Austin Collie or Mike Thomas) would have been a much more understandable and justified pick.

If I was picking: Austin Collie, WR; BYU

5. Colin Brown, OT; Missouri
Grade: F
- Wow. Just wow. Might end up a Pro Bowler, but wouldn't a seventh round pick or a free agent contract been a bit more appropriate, especially considering how many quality, higher regarded offensive line prospects were still on the board? Guys like Duke Robinson, Jamon Meredith and

My pick: Fenuki Tupou, OT; Oregon

6. Quinten Lawrence, WR; McNeese State B-
Grade: C
- Special teamer with speed.

My pick: Darry Beckwith, ILB; LSU

7. Javarris Williams, RB; Tennessee State
Grade: B+
- I like this pick. Guy has good speed, is big in a squatty sort of way, nice hands. Will be a good special teams player and might make his way onto the roster as a Kimble Anders type fullback/H-back type of player.

My pick: I concur with this pick, and mentioned Williams as a potential in one of my mocks.

7. Jake O'Connell, TE; Miami-Ohio
Grade: C
- Seems to be very athletic with really good combine/pro day type numbers. (4.66 in the 40, 28 reps on the bench and a 41 inch vertical) In the seventh, I don't mind taking a high level athlete as a potential special teams guy who can make a push for a tight end spot.

My pick: Ray Feinga, OG; BYU

7. Ryan Succop, K; South Carolina
Grade: B-
- Need help in the kicking game, and picking a kicker here isn't a bad thing. Was pretty consistent prior to the injury in his senior season on both kicks and punts. Not as accurate/clutch as someone like Sakoda, but seems like an okay pick.

My pick: Louie Sakoda, K/P; Utah

rtmike · 04-26-2009, 08:23 PM

The cornerback pick was the only one that really surprised me.

I thought we were set with Mo' Leggett & the two Brandon's. We just picked up Travis Daniels too. Counting Ricardo that's 6, 7 if you count Quentin.

Apparently the staff is happy with the safety & offensive lineman play?

googlegoogle · 04-26-2009, 08:46 PM

KCrockaholic · 04-26-2009, 08:52 PM

Tyson Jackson - B

Alex Magee - B-

Donald Washington - C+

Colin Brown - C-

Quintin(sp?) Lawrence - B+

Javarris Williams - B

Jake O'Connell - D-

Ryan Succop - B+

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-26-2009, 09:19 PM

1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU Grade: C-

My pick: Mark Sanchez, QB

2. Matt Cassell/Mike Vrabel Grade: C

My pick: Max Unger, C

3. Alex Magee, DT; Purdue Grade: D-

My pick: Kraig Urbick, OT

4. Donald Washington, CB; Ohio State Grade: F-

My pick: Louis Murphy, WR

5. Colin Brown, OT; Missouri Grade: F-

My pick: Cornelius Ingram, TE Florida

6. Quinten Lawrence, WR; McNeese State Grade: C+

My pick: Kevin Ellison, S USC

7a. Javarris Williams, RB; Tennessee State Grade: B+

My pick: Javarris Williams

7b. Jake O'Connell, TE; Miami-Ohio Grade: C-

My pick: Lance Louis, G San Diego State

7c. Ryan Succop, K South Carolina Grade: B+

My pick: Ryan Succop

**buddha** · 04-26-2009, 09:26 PM

First of all, any and all of you who don't know that we drafted COLIN Brown in the fifth instead of Cody Brown, you obviously have NO BASIS to form an opinion because you don't even know who was picked. Second, how many of you have actually seen Brown play? Dude is one big, strong hombre, and when you're looking for a really big guy with good feet and long arms, that's a pretty nice selection.

...oh, I get it. He was supposed to go in the 7th round, right? Well, then yes...he's obviously worthless then. You're right, Pioli's wrong.

Ask Gary Pinkel what he thinks of Colin Brown some time? This is a very high character kid and he will help this team.

Chiefnj2 · 04-26-2009, 09:27 PM

C-. Each pick is a C-.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-26-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddha

First of all, any and all of you who don't know that we drafted COLIN Brown in the fifth instead of Cody Brown, you obviously have NO BASIS to form an opinion because you don't even know who was picked. Second, how many of you have actually seen Brown play? Dude is one big, strong hombre, and when you're looking for a really big guy with good feet and long arms, that's a pretty nice selection.

...oh, I get it. He was supposed to go in the 7th round, right? Well, then yes...he's obviously worthless then. You're right, Pioli's wrong.

Ask Gary Pinkel what he thinks of Colin Brown some time? This is a very high character kid and he will help this team.

Did you watch the Senior Bowl? How about LSU?

For my money, I'm taking Herman Johnson if I'm going for a super-sized tackle/guard. Not a guy who played various positions along the offensive line in the "Spread".

KCFalcon59 · 04-26-2009, 10:25 PM

1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - B - Hope he does well

3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue - B -Hope he does well

4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State - B- - Hope he does well

5. OT Colin Brown, Missouri - F - WTF

6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State - C- - Hopefully he can be a good KR.

7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State - B - Great physique. Hope he does well.

7. TE Jake O'Connell, Miami OH - F - WTF

7. K Ryan Succop, South Carolina - F - Irrelevant

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-26-2009, 10:42 PM

1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - D

You'll never convince me that a 5 technique is worth the 3rd overall pick. If you're going to reach, at least take a guy at an impact position like Raji.

3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue - C

Again, a pick that was forced by Pioli and Company changing schemes, regardless of the fact that none of our young talent fits said scheme.

4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State - B-

Didn't really need a CB, but at least was decent value. Lawrence Sidbury would have been just as good a value, and at a position of desperate need. There's no one on this roster that can rush the passer.

5. OT Colin Brown, Missouri - F

Passing on Jamon Meridith, Fenuki Topou and Xavier Fulton for this guy? Incomprehensible.

6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State - B

Probably our best value pick - should be our return man on opening day.

7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State - D

If you feel the need for a RB, how do you pass on Rashad Jennings?

7. TE Jake O'Connell, Miami OH - F

Not only do you take ANOTHER TE, you spend a 2010 pick to do it - passing on guys like Dannell Ellerbe and Trevor Canfield in the process - both positions of great need.

7. K Ryan Succop, South Carolina - F

Mr. Irrelevant really lived up to his name this year.

Micjones · 04-26-2009, 10:51 PM

Never fails.

Every year some draft genius on a message board touts a player to be the next big thing and he famously flames out in the NFL.

Every year some draft genius on a message board swears another player was a reach and is sure to bust...and that player goes on to be a stalwart for his franchise.

I choose to take the "wait and see" approach.
There's something ridiculous about sealing the fate of newly drafted players who've never taken the field.

Pablo · 04-26-2009, 10:52 PM

Jesus tits people.

I'd love to know just when the Chiefs drafted Cody Brown.

04-26-2009, 04:05 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Your grade of each individual pick in our draft. Here goes... 1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - B I understand the Chiefs had three options: (a.) trade down when nobody wants to, (b.) take a player at good value but zero need, or (c.) make a slight reach for extreme need. The last was the best choice here, but I thought Raji would have been the better pick. Nevertheless, it's hard to complain about the best pure 3-4 DE in this Draft. 3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue - A This was solid value for a player that will help this team out every bit that Jackson will. Magee is a very high character guy that was born with a lunchpail mentality. I hesitate to say he's the 2nd best pure 3-4 DE in this Draft, but I can't name anybody but Jackson that's obviously better. He will likely start right away. 4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State - B Washington was great value, and if this was anywhere near being a need for us, this is an A. Simple as that. But there were so many OL and OLB available here that would have been great picks for us it's hard for me to get that excited about him. Washington should start over Carr on day one. 5. OT Cody Brown, Missouri - F Thank god for Oakland... otherwise this would be considered the biggest reach of the draft. In the 5th round, that's incredibly hard to do. I don't know what Pioli sees in this guy to suggest he's a powerful run-blocker that could start on this team. I personally believe, right now, this guy can't be anything more than our third RT on the depth chart. 6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State - C Not crazy about this pick, because I think there were better weapons on the board (but don't I always think that?). Still, Lawrence has outstanding speed and if he adjusts pretty well this year, should get some serious playing time next year. He is an intriguing prospect, easily the most interesting of everybody on this particular board. 7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State - A This was a great, great great great pick. This guy is a poor man's LJ. Which is ironic, considering that right now LJ is a poor man's LJ. This seals the deal for Two-Sev as far as I'm concerned. See ya. 7. TBA
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04-26-2009, 07:28 PM	#19
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	I wish it was Cody Brown. Anyway... 1. Tyson Jackson, DE; LSU Grade: B+ - Everyone seems to agree that this was the best 3-4 DE in the draft and we needed one. However, at the #3 spot he was generally regarded as a bit of a reach. One hopes that Jackson ends up being a clone of Richard Seymour in order to justify this high of a pick in the draft. Crabtree or Curry might have been sexier, Monroe might have provided more immediate help, but no one could argue that our defense was borderline incompetent last season. At least we didn't end up with BJ Raji. If I was picking: Aaron Curry, LB; Wake Forest 3. Alex Magee, DT; Purdue Grade: D- - Completely mitigates three years of high round draft choices on the defensive line. Either our current roster is utterly devoid of talent at the D-line positions, or the current staff feels that no one other than Tank (potentially) is capable of playing in a 3-4 system. If we end up trading guys like Hali, McBride and Dorsey for appropriate picks (1st, 2nd, 1st respectively) or players that will immediately contribute, this pick might make sense, but as of right now, it is completely illogical. If I was picking: Kraig Urbik, OG; Wisconsin 4. Donald Washington, CB; Ohio State Grade: D - Carr and Flowers make this a borderline bad pick just for depth purposes. An offensive lineman (Jon Luigs, Troy Kropog) or a quality wide receiver (Austin Collie or Mike Thomas) would have been a much more understandable and justified pick. If I was picking: Austin Collie, WR; BYU 5. Colin Brown, OT; Missouri Grade: F - Wow. Just wow. Might end up a Pro Bowler, but wouldn't a seventh round pick or a free agent contract been a bit more appropriate, especially considering how many quality, higher regarded offensive line prospects were still on the board? Guys like Duke Robinson, Jamon Meredith and My pick: Fenuki Tupou, OT; Oregon 6. Quinten Lawrence, WR; McNeese State B- Grade: C - Special teamer with speed. My pick: Darry Beckwith, ILB; LSU 7. Javarris Williams, RB; Tennessee State Grade: B+ - I like this pick. Guy has good speed, is big in a squatty sort of way, nice hands. Will be a good special teams player and might make his way onto the roster as a Kimble Anders type fullback/H-back type of player. My pick: I concur with this pick, and mentioned Williams as a potential in one of my mocks. 7. Jake O'Connell, TE; Miami-Ohio Grade: C - Seems to be very athletic with really good combine/pro day type numbers. (4.66 in the 40, 28 reps on the bench and a 41 inch vertical) In the seventh, I don't mind taking a high level athlete as a potential special teams guy who can make a push for a tight end spot. My pick: Ray Feinga, OG; BYU 7. Ryan Succop, K; South Carolina Grade: B- - Need help in the kicking game, and picking a kicker here isn't a bad thing. Was pretty consistent prior to the injury in his senior season on both kicks and punts. Not as accurate/clutch as someone like Sakoda, but seems like an okay pick. My pick: Louie Sakoda, K/P; Utah Last edited by Saccopoo; 04-26-2009 at 07:51 PM..
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04-26-2009, 08:23 PM	#20
rtmike union paraplegic organizer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: western Kansas Casino cash: $8590000	The cornerback pick was the only one that really surprised me. I thought we were set with Mo' Leggett & the two Brandon's. We just picked up Travis Daniels too. Counting Ricardo that's 6, 7 if you count Quentin. Apparently the staff is happy with the safety & offensive lineman play?
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KCrockaholic Sarcasm Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $3322900	Tyson Jackson - B Alex Magee - B- Donald Washington - C+ Colin Brown - C- Quintin(sp?) Lawrence - B+ Javarris Williams - B Jake O'Connell - D- Ryan Succop - B+
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04-26-2009, 09:19 PM	#23
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU Grade: C- My pick: Mark Sanchez, QB 2. Matt Cassell/Mike Vrabel Grade: C My pick: Max Unger, C 3. Alex Magee, DT; Purdue Grade: D- My pick: Kraig Urbick, OT 4. Donald Washington, CB; Ohio State Grade: F- My pick: Louis Murphy, WR 5. Colin Brown, OT; Missouri Grade: F- My pick: Cornelius Ingram, TE Florida 6. Quinten Lawrence, WR; McNeese State Grade: C+ My pick: Kevin Ellison, S USC 7a. Javarris Williams, RB; Tennessee State Grade: B+ My pick: Javarris Williams 7b. Jake O'Connell, TE; Miami-Ohio Grade: C- My pick: Lance Louis, G San Diego State 7c. Ryan Succop, K South Carolina Grade: B+ My pick: Ryan Succop
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04-26-2009, 09:26 PM	#24
buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	First of all, any and all of you who don't know that we drafted COLIN Brown in the fifth instead of Cody Brown, you obviously have NO BASIS to form an opinion because you don't even know who was picked. Second, how many of you have actually seen Brown play? Dude is one big, strong hombre, and when you're looking for a really big guy with good feet and long arms, that's a pretty nice selection. ...oh, I get it. He was supposed to go in the 7th round, right? Well, then yes...he's obviously worthless then. You're right, Pioli's wrong. Ask Gary Pinkel what he thinks of Colin Brown some time? This is a very high character kid and he will help this team.
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04-26-2009, 09:27 PM	#25
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KCFalcon59 MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Topeka, Kansas Casino cash: $-440000	1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - B - Hope he does well 3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue - B -Hope he does well 4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State - B- - Hope he does well 5. OT Colin Brown, Missouri - F - WTF 6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State - C- - Hopefully he can be a good KR. 7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State - B - Great physique. Hope he does well. 7. TE Jake O'Connell, Miami OH - F - WTF 7. K Ryan Succop, South Carolina - F - Irrelevant Last edited by KCFalcon59; 04-27-2009 at 09:18 AM..
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04-26-2009, 10:42 PM	#28
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - D You'll never convince me that a 5 technique is worth the 3rd overall pick. If you're going to reach, at least take a guy at an impact position like Raji. 3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue - C Again, a pick that was forced by Pioli and Company changing schemes, regardless of the fact that none of our young talent fits said scheme. 4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State - B- Didn't really need a CB, but at least was decent value. Lawrence Sidbury would have been just as good a value, and at a position of desperate need. There's no one on this roster that can rush the passer. 5. OT Colin Brown, Missouri - F Passing on Jamon Meridith, Fenuki Topou and Xavier Fulton for this guy? Incomprehensible. 6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State - B Probably our best value pick - should be our return man on opening day. 7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State - D If you feel the need for a RB, how do you pass on Rashad Jennings? 7. TE Jake O'Connell, Miami OH - F Not only do you take ANOTHER TE, you spend a 2010 pick to do it - passing on guys like Dannell Ellerbe and Trevor Canfield in the process - both positions of great need. 7. K Ryan Succop, South Carolina - F Mr. Irrelevant really lived up to his name this year. Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 04-26-2009 at 10:53 PM..
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04-26-2009, 10:51 PM	#29
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04-26-2009, 10:52 PM	#30
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northland Casino cash: $-1890644	Jesus tits people. I'd love to know just when the Chiefs drafted Cody Brown.
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