NFL Draft Tamba Hali? MOTHER F*** you CARL!! - Page 17

**banyon** · 04-29-2006, 01:32 PM

If you like Hali fine.

But this was 10 picks too high to take this dude.

**banyon** · 05-01-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by buddha

Banyon...it's fine that you don't like the pick, but you continue to make wild assumptions based on very little solid information. What makes you think we could have gotten Hali 10 picks later...have you talked to each of the GMs who picked after us? Come on now!???

And who exactly was out there who had "similar talent" that we could have gotten 10 picks later? I can't think of anybody and the draft board certainly doesn't show anybody who is comparable to Hali at that point in the draft or slightly later.

Sure...trade down when you don't have a guy at your pick that you feel strongly about. That's a wise move. However, KC felt strongly about Hali. Moving down and missing on him, especially considering the extreme need at DE would have most likely been a monumental error. The draft gods don't go out of their way to favor KC in the best of times. Last year was an exception.

It's a long thread...so here's what I said originally:

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Originally Posted by banyon

If we redrafted this draft with someone besides

, Hali wouldn't have gone at twenty, we would've gone down to 28 or 30 and gotten him.

And even if her were somehow snapped up, then we still could've landed Jimmy Williams, Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, or Winston Justice, who I bet will all turn out to be better pros than Hali.

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Originally Posted by buddha

We got a guy who was an All-American DE, and a guy who disrupted offenses on a regular basis. I think he is as close to a sure thing as we could have gotten all things considered. If I'm right, nobody is going to be concerned about where we drafted him...right?

I hope that he's an all-Pro for the next 10 years. But I just don't feel very good about it yet. Hey, I liked about 40% of the picks, so I'm not impossible to please.

penchief · 05-01-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BSPimpDude

Christ, even one of the "highlight" videos is him getting dominated by an OT from Iowa.

What highlight video are you referring to? One of those internet highlight films from a network that used only footage from the two or three games they covered?

I'll make a gentleman's bet with you. I'll bet that Tamba Hali breaks the Chief rookie record for sacks. I'll predict, here and now, that he will surpass the rookie season sack totals of both Derrick Thomas and Jared Allen.

ChiefaRoo · 05-01-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

You really see us benching Hicks?

Hicks isn't very good. He's on a severe decline and has been for the last two seasons. He reminds me of Mike Bell late in his career.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-01-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

Hicks isn't very good. He's on a severe decline and has been for the last two seasons. He reminds me of Mike Bell late in his career.

Mike Bell's family has seats directly in front of mine. My g/f's dad told me that one time he and his dad were there and were talking shit about Mike Bell and then one of them turned around and said something to the likes of "that's my son". Priceless.

Eleazar · 05-01-2006, 03:11 PM

I think the past few days have been a 52 week high for shameless tripe posted about a football player. Maybe not since Larry Johnson was wearing #34 has it been this big of a bull market for bull s###

Carlota69 · 05-01-2006, 03:42 PM

Ah, remember the good ol' days when we were stoked about getting Ryan Sims and pissed that we got Larry Johnson?

I miss those days...oh, wait....

Frankie · 05-01-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by penchief

What highlight video are you referring to? One of those internet highlight films from a network that used only footage from the two or three games they covered?

I'll make a gentleman's bet with you. I'll bet that Tamba Hali breaks the Chief rookie record for sacks. I'll predict, here and now, that he will surpass the rookie season sack totals of both Derrick Thomas and Jared Allen.

Had the technology existed in biblical times, I'm sure there would be one highlight of one big strong dude named Goliath getting dominated ONCE by a weakling named David. As dramatic as the alleged outcome was I wonder how many highlights would exist of him beating the stuffing out of that David dude had they fought ten times. The point is, even the best players this day and age can show up on some highlight being "dominated." I agree with you here. BSPimpDude should not judge Tamba Hali by one highlight.

nychief · 05-01-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Had the technology existed in biblical times, I'm sure there would be one highlight of one big strong dude named Goliath getting dominated ONCE by a weakling named David. As dramatic as the alleged outcome was I wonder how many highlights would exist of him beating the stuffing out of that David dude had they fought ten times.

wow.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-01-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon

If we redrafted this draft with someone besides

, Hali wouldn't have gone at twenty, we would've gone down to 28 or 30 and gotten him.

And even if her were somehow snapped up, then we still could've landed Jimmy Williams, Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, or Winston Justice, who I bet will all turn out to be better pros than Hali.

So what you're saying is that you don't think that Hali is better than a mid-second round pick. I definitely disagree with this "analysis" but when Hali makes a few Pro Bowls, it won't matter where he was drafted.

And FTR, there have been VERY few wide recievers drafted in the first or second round that have not only made an immediate impact, but a long lasting impact. I am SO happy that the Chiefs didn't draft Jackson (who is a system WR if I've ever seen one, let alone the fact that Florida WR's just don't seem to pan out in the NFL), or Justice (we have tons of OL prospects and don't need another) or Holmes (though I think he'll have the better of the two careers when compared to Jackson) or Williams.

KCBOSS1 · 05-01-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

No, we'll need him (Hicks) to play corner.

that's funny

Frankie · 05-02-2006, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

.... or Justice (we have tons of OL prospects and don't need another) or Holmes (though I think he'll have the better of the two careers when compared to Jackson) or Williams.

The list of top prospects that I had ranked Justice as the 10th best player in the draft. Based on that I couldn't believe when he dropped like he did. I thought now we HAVE TO spend our 2nd on him for future fix. Then I discovered the reason for his drop. Arrests and other off-field stupidity. IOW, character problems. No thanks. I'm pretty pumped about Hali and all the "character" stuff that I read about him. I think he is talented (if not a little raw) and combined with his (alleged) strength of character we have a great first rounder.

Moooo · 05-02-2006, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

The list of top prospects that I had ranked Justice as the 10th best player in the draft. Based on that I couldn't believe when he dropped like he did. I thought now we HAVE TO spend our 2nd on him for future fix. Then I discovered the reason for his drop. Arrests and other off-field stupidity. IOW, character problems. No thanks. I'm pretty pumped about Hali and all the "character" stuff that I read about him. I think he is talented (if not a little raw) and combined with his (alleged) strength of character we have a great first rounder.

I think every team needs some class acts and some bad boys. Although I'm not for someone starting a fight at a nightclub, and I'd flat out try and hurt the guy I see assault his wife, I think sometimes that dirty attitude these people bring to a team rubs off on other players and makes them more intense. There's no evidence or justification for it, but I just think that. :-)

Moooo

Frankie · 05-02-2006, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Moooo

I think every team needs some class acts and some bad boys.

No offence, Moooo. But how old are you? Old enough to remember Marty's final couple of years? My definition of "bad boys" footballwise is on-field badass football players. Not drug dealers, drunk drivers or night club thugs. The Raiders are welcome to them. My Chiefs (hopefully) will thrive with the likes of Tamba Hali.

Eleazar · 10-02-2006, 09:57 AM

oopsie

HC_Chief · 10-02-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

oopsie

DOH!

04-29-2006, 01:32 PM
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