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chop · 03-09-2009, 06:36 PM

Mayock: Lions should avoid drafting Matt Stafford

by Tom Kowalski Monday March 09, 2009, 7:54 PM

Mike Mayock, the draft analyst for NFL Network, was a guest on WJR tonight, joining hosts Ken Brown and Mike O'Hara. Here are some highlights from that interview (and the Detroit Lions fans who are hoping the team drafts Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford might be a little disappointed with Mayock's opinions):

--- Mayock said he believes that 2009 will be an average draft class without much star power in the top 10. He believes the draft is deep at outside linebacker and tight end but weak at guard and inside linebacker.
--- Mayock pointed out that of the last 11 underclassmen quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round, only two have been successful - Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rogers. Mayock pointed out a laundry list of failures - Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, Vince Young, Alex Smith and, so far, JaMarcus Russell.
Mayock said that if the Lions make a mistake at quarterback with that pick, "they won't recover for five years.''
Mayock spoke very highly of Stafford, saying he has great arm strength and is a good athlete, but also said "There are some things about him that bother me. If I was the Lions, I'd take (Aaron) Curry or one of those left tackles (Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe).
"If you have any doubts about the kid, in my opinion, you have to pass. I told everybody last year that Matt Ryan was the guy. I have questions about the guy this year.''
--- Mayock said he sees some similarities between Stafford and Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, especially arm strength, but he sees one big difference. Mayock said Cutler played for a "horrible'' Vanderbilt team but always had his team in a position to win. Stafford, meanwhile, played with two elite receivers and an NFL-caliber running back and "sometimes he looked like Superman and sometimes he looked average ... I say 'Why?'''
--- Brown and O'Hara brought up the possibility that if the Lions drafted Curry, they might move him to middle linebacker but Mayock immediately shot that down. Mayock said Curry is the prototype SAM linebacker and shouldn't be moved.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...void_draf.html

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-09-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by skky man

I read an article several weeks ago that said some of the georgia coaches were frustrated that Stafford athleticism didn't carry over to the field! Not that he is good but after three years they had hoped for more! I don't see a clear cut top QB in the draft. Sanchez is good or he wouldn't have been a USC, but he never beat out John David Booty either.

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Fear, recover for 5 years, you mean opposed to the 40+ year drought they are in now?

Building into an 8-8 team being anyones desire is pretty sad.

I just can't ****ing take it anymore; this draft needs to be done, dead, and gone. I see statements like the one above and it just......**** me; enough!

Enough.

Reerun_KC · 03-09-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

It all works out in the end though because you can get your facials from Reerun_KC without even having to wait in line!

How does my ass taste?

Coogs · 03-10-2009, 08:41 AM

If the Lions do pass on Stafford and Sanchez, I would not be totally opposed to drafting one of those two at #3 even though we spent our 2nd rounder on a QB. Especially if we are not able to trade down. I would much rather hedge our bet on the QB spot, and make sure we have the right guy for the job for the next decade or so, than to have the opportunity to do so and wind up finding out we missed out be picking the wrong guy (Cassel).

DaWolf · 03-10-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

If the Lions do pass on Stafford and Sanchez, I would not be totally opposed to drafting one of those two at #3 even though we spent our 2nd rounder on a QB. Especially if we are not able to trade down. I would much rather hedge our bet on the QB spot, and make sure we have the right guy for the job for the next decade or so, than to have the opportunity to do so and wind up finding out we missed out be picking the wrong guy (Cassel).

You gonna pay them both as well? That No 3 pick is quite expensive, and that franchise number is quite expensive...

Reerun_KC · 03-10-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

You gonna pay them both as well? That No 3 pick is quite expensive, and that franchise number is quite expensive...

What franchise number? You cant be serious about paying Cassell franchise QB type money? The dude is nothing more than a stop gap QB. No way he should be paid anywhere near the top 10....

Average at best, but if you have a chance to develop and draft a franchise QB, you better take that opportunity and get your QB...

Brock · 03-10-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

What franchise number? You cant be serious about paying Cassell franchise QB type money? The dude is nothing more than a stop gap QB. No way he should be paid anywhere near the top 10....

Average at best, but if you have a chance to develop and draft a franchise QB, you better take that opportunity and get your QB...

The franchise number the Chiefs are currently on the hook for, whether you think he's worth it or not.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by skky man

I read an article several weeks ago that said some of the georgia coaches were frustrated that Stafford athleticism didn't carry over to the field! Not that he is good but after three years they had hoped for more! I don't see a clear cut top QB in the draft. Sanchez is good or he wouldn't have been a USC, but he never beat out John David Booty either.

Stafford had a poor offensive line and a defense last year that was horrible. He did have some skill players around him, but not enough to overcome for those two issues. He also played in the best conference in college football.

This isn't Sanchez who had a great offensive line and a great defense and just had to manage the game most of the time.

Reerun_KC · 03-10-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

The franchise number the Chiefs are currently on the hook for, whether you think he's worth it or not.

$14 mil per year?

If Cassel is worth 14$ mill per year to the Chiefs, I see no reason why you and I couldnt be on the sidelines stealing at least $1 mil per year...

We are worth at least $1 Mill to the Chiefs if Cassel is worth franchise money...

Just saying....

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Fear, recover for 5 years, you mean opposed to the 40+ year drought they are in now?

Building into an 8-8 team being anyones desire is pretty sad.

The thing that you just don't seem to get is that the draft isn't the lottery. You don't just buy a ticket hoping to win. You have to have faith in the guy you draft. That doesn't make you 'scared'.

Now, if YOU were GM, and YOU drafted Sanchez, I couldn't bash you for it, because you clearly believe in the kid. But, to bash someone else for not believing in him or Stafford is silly.

Personally, I believe in Stafford. I would have liked to see the Chiefs draft him. In fact, with every loss, I thought 'we are closer to Matt Stafford'.

But, even though I personally think he is going to be a great QB, I understand the concerns and the questions about him. I don't think those people are 'scared'.

And, it would be dumb to draft a QB over a guy that you thought was better just because he was a QB. That is rationalization and hope.

I know that runs rampant on this board, but it isn't a way to run a franchise.

ToxSocks · 03-10-2009, 09:15 AM

Mayock should just

and quit trying to ruin shit for us Chiefs fans

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

When a team hasn't won in years and isn't close isn't that when you should be willing to take a risk?

I don't think any team should be risk adverse. I mean, if that were the case, no one would ever draft anyone because EVERY pick is a risk.

With that said, you assume that these guys are scared. I think they just want to take a risk that they believe in.

I am, by nature, a huge risk taker. I like to gamble, I own my own small business, I own a lot of rental property. If I have the choice of a sure three dollars, or a good chance to make six.... I nearly always the six.

But, it is something that I have to believe in.

If you bet football, you don't just bet every game just because you 'could' win. You bet the games you believe in. This is similar to the early rounds of the draft. The more money you are betting, the more you have to believe in the game.

I think late picks are like the lottery. If I play the lottery, I don't 'believe' in the numbers, but the money gambled is so small and the potential payoff so large, that it makes sense to me.

I just don't know why you assume all these teams are 'scared' just because they don't believe in these guys.

Chief Faithful · 03-10-2009, 09:22 AM

Never been a Stafford fan for precisely the reason Mayock states, "played with two elite receivers and an NFL-caliber running back and "sometimes he looked like Superman and sometimes he looked average." I think Stafford and the offense looked average far to often last season.

If the Chiefs get Curry I agree he should play SAM with Vrabel at WILL. DJ would be good inside playing much the same position Scott played with Baltimore. That leaves a big hole on the inside next to DJ that I don't believe anyone on the current roster can adequately fill.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Just perception.... Mecca gives alot of the same, knows the positions etc... I am not blowing off Mecca here, but if some talking head says something about someone it is gospel... If Mecca said the same thing 3 weeks before, then he is USC homer blowhard...

I cant wait til the draft is over.... This is the worst part about the season... 999,000 draft experts all over the message boards and TV and very few have any info....

Any fan can only watch so much college football, and we only see the network TV footage.

These analysts get to watch coaches tapes, talk to the coaches about these kids, and break it down as their career.

Not a single one of us on here is that adept at the draft.

And, from reading Mecca, yeah, he knows the basics, but he is by no means an expert on anything other than rationalizing the selection of a QB at the top of the draft.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Never been a Stafford fan for precisely the reason Mayock states, "played with two elite receivers and an NFL-caliber running back and "sometimes he looked like Superman and sometimes he looked average." I think Stafford and the offense looked average far to often last season.

If the Chiefs get Curry I agree he should play SAM with Vrabel at WILL. DJ would be good inside playing much the same position Scott played with Baltimore. That leaves a big hole on the inside next to DJ that I don't believe anyone on the current roster can adequately fill.

If they go to a 3-4, there is no traditional SAM linebacker.

They can put him at ILB on the strong side which would be the most similar to SAM in the 4-3. It will come with many of the same responsibilities, only he will have to cover more to the inside as well.

Chief Faithful · 03-10-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

If they go to a 3-4, there is no traditional SAM linebacker.

They can put him at ILB on the strong side which would be the most similar to SAM in the 4-3. It will come with many of the same responsibilities, only he will have to cover more to the inside as well.

What do you call the OLB on the strong side in a 3-4? It is the ILB on the strong side that I feel would be the big hole.

03-09-2009, 06:36 PM
chop Go Chiefs! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $894270	Mayock says Lions should not draft Stafford Mayock: Lions should avoid drafting Matt Stafford by Tom Kowalski Monday March 09, 2009, 7:54 PM Mike Mayock, the draft analyst for NFL Network, was a guest on WJR tonight, joining hosts Ken Brown and Mike O'Hara. Here are some highlights from that interview (and the Detroit Lions fans who are hoping the team drafts Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford might be a little disappointed with Mayock's opinions): --- Mayock said he believes that 2009 will be an average draft class without much star power in the top 10. He believes the draft is deep at outside linebacker and tight end but weak at guard and inside linebacker. --- Mayock pointed out that of the last 11 underclassmen quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round, only two have been successful - Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rogers. Mayock pointed out a laundry list of failures - Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, Vince Young, Alex Smith and, so far, JaMarcus Russell. Mayock said that if the Lions make a mistake at quarterback with that pick, "they won't recover for five years.'' Mayock spoke very highly of Stafford, saying he has great arm strength and is a good athlete, but also said "There are some things about him that bother me. If I was the Lions, I'd take (Aaron) Curry or one of those left tackles (Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe). "If you have any doubts about the kid, in my opinion, you have to pass. I told everybody last year that Matt Ryan was the guy. I have questions about the guy this year.'' --- Mayock said he sees some similarities between Stafford and Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, especially arm strength, but he sees one big difference. Mayock said Cutler played for a "horrible'' Vanderbilt team but always had his team in a position to win. Stafford, meanwhile, played with two elite receivers and an NFL-caliber running back and "sometimes he looked like Superman and sometimes he looked average ... I say 'Why?''' --- Brown and O'Hara brought up the possibility that if the Lions drafted Curry, they might move him to middle linebacker but Mayock immediately shot that down. Mayock said Curry is the prototype SAM linebacker and shouldn't be moved. http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...void_draf.html
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Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2265651	If the Lions do pass on Stafford and Sanchez, I would not be totally opposed to drafting one of those two at #3 even though we spent our 2nd rounder on a QB. Especially if we are not able to trade down. I would much rather hedge our bet on the QB spot, and make sure we have the right guy for the job for the next decade or so, than to have the opportunity to do so and wind up finding out we missed out be picking the wrong guy (Cassel).
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Chief Faithful Predicting Chiefs Victory Join Date: Sep 2001 Casino cash: $9966500	Never been a Stafford fan for precisely the reason Mayock states, "played with two elite receivers and an NFL-caliber running back and "sometimes he looked like Superman and sometimes he looked average." I think Stafford and the offense looked average far to often last season. If the Chiefs get Curry I agree he should play SAM with Vrabel at WILL. DJ would be good inside playing much the same position Scott played with Baltimore. That leaves a big hole on the inside next to DJ that I don't believe anyone on the current roster can adequately fill.
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