Chiefs Cassel or Sanchez? - Page 16

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 06:45 PM

I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?

chiefzilla1501 · 04-11-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

Ok....I'm talking about a consistent game changer.

A 3-4 defense can't function without an outstanding nose tackle.

Is that game-changing enough?

Just because nose tackles don't get 15 sacks doesn't meant they're game changing. The nose tackle is the most important position in a 3-4 defense. Therefore, they are game changers.

Mecca · 04-11-2009, 09:14 PM

When you are far and away the best player on your college team, if you can rush the passer they'd have you doing it.

I don't even dislike Curry I just get tired of reading this arguments that have no merit. Guy is not pass rusher, argue his strengths don't give him one that he doesn't have.

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 09:14 PM

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I didn't say I was bored with.

My comment had to do with the way you presented as a whole new ****ing idea.

My comment had to do with the fact that your revelation was so important that you had to start a new thread to let everyone know that one of your brain cells finally clicked on.

Listen...when one of my brain cells kicks in...it's an event. Can you make a point without an insult?

**DeezNutz** · 04-11-2009, 09:14 PM

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Ask Cunnigham why we didn't rush the passer last season. We didn't even try. Istead we always played zone and let the worst LB corp in the league chase plays. You dont blame a player for something a coach doesn't try to do. Curry made a lot of plays behind the line but didn't rush the QB.

Sounds more like a scheme or play calling issue. He has shown he can get in the backfield.

Well, a coaching staff would have to be monumentally stupid to have a pass-rushing freak of nature and decide not to use him.

This is making an assumption that pretty much defies common sense.

milkman · 04-11-2009, 09:14 PM

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Ask Cunnigham why we didn't rush the passer last season. We didn't even try. Istead we always played zone and let the worst LB corp in the league chase plays. You dont blame a player for something a coach doesn't try to do. Curry made a lot of plays behind the line but didn't rush the QB.

Sounds more like a scheme or play calling issue. He has shown he can get in the backfield.

But you are making an assumption that he can rush the passer based on minimal evidence to support that assuption.

You don't use the #3 on a player with the hope that he has a skillset that you want to use him for,

chiefzilla1501 · 04-11-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Ask Cunnigham why we didn't rush the passer last season. We didn't even try. Istead we always played zone and let the worst LB corp in the league chase plays. You dont blame a player for something a coach doesn't try to do. Curry made a lot of plays behind the line but didn't rush the QB.

Sounds more like a scheme or play calling issue. He has shown he can get in the backfield.

That's not true. The Chiefs blitzed more than Gun will have you believe. And they were equally unsuccessful. But more importantly, Curry is NOT a natural pass rusher. He is an OLB who can occasionally rush the passer. But his strength is in his ability to move around the field.

It's more important for 4-3 OLBs to move around the field. It's much more important for 4-3 OLBs to be able to shed blocks and rush the passer. It's not saying Curry can't rush the passer. But it's not his strength. Everett Brown and Aaron Maybin are a lot more qualified to be pass rushers than Curry is.

milkman · 04-11-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

Listen...when one of my brain cells kicks in...it's an event. Can you make a point without an insult?

Why do you want me to change?

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 09:18 PM

Well, let's see....he's fast, big, good instincts, agile.....sounds like all of the characteristics of a good pass rusher to me. "OK, the guy with the ball about to pass....go hit him!" It doesn't take a genius to be a pass rusher.

Mecca · 04-11-2009, 09:18 PM

If you think Curry can play outside in a 3-4 this is all I ask..

Give me one example of a traditional 4-3 backer that also played outside in the 3-4, the outside backers in the 3-4 are converted defensive ends..I can not think of 1 example of a traditional LB that stayed outside in the 3-4.

CrazyHorse · 04-11-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Any player can make game chaning plays, but to be a game changer, you have to do it consistently.

He's not a pass rusher, and on defense pass rushers ar the game changers.

LT, DT, Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Dwight Freeny, etc. are game changers.

DEs are the only game changers on defense, and QBs are the only game changers on offense. You've got football all figured out.

Thanks for the education.

Mecca · 04-11-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

Well, let's see....he's fast, big, good instincts, agile.....sounds like all of the characteristics of a good pass rusher to me. "OK, the guy with the ball about to pass....go hit him!" It doesn't take a genius to be a pass rusher.

Actually rushing the passer is very difficult and it is in many ways a science if it was as easy as just being athletic they wouldn't be at such a premium. You have to know how to use proper leverage, use your hands, stay balanced know when to use moves, how to set up a tackle, it's not an easy thing to do especially against top of the line NFL OT's.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-11-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

Well, let's see....he's fast, big, good instincts, agile.....sounds like all of the characteristics of a good pass rusher to me. "OK, the guy with the ball about to pass....go hit him!" It doesn't take a genius to be a pass rusher.

Is that all it takes?

Hammock Parties · 04-11-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

Well, let's see....he's fast, big, good instincts, agile.....sounds like all of the characteristics of a good pass rusher to me. "OK, the guy with the ball about to pass....go hit him!" It doesn't take a genius to be a pass rusher.

Good pass rushers study film and break down their opponents. There is a definite mental side to it.

**DeezNutz** · 04-11-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

Well, let's see....he's fast, big, good instincts, agile.....sounds like all of the characteristics of a good pass rusher to me. "OK, the guy with the ball about to pass....go hit him!" It doesn't take a genius to be a pass rusher.

Well, ****, sounds like we should be able to get a handful of these guys. Why haven't we already?

Sounds easy enough.

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 09:20 PM

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Why do you want me to change?

I don't sit and meditate long on my "presentation" to start a thread. Was just thinking about the whole Sanchez/Cassel deal and wanted to have a discussion about it. You stepped in, slammed it and have been interested ever since....just sayin.

04-11-2009, 06:45 PM
KCBOSS1 RAISE EM RIGHT Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Arkansas Casino cash: $10005366	Cassel or Sanchez? I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?
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04-11-2009, 09:14 PM	#227
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-692950	When you are far and away the best player on your college team, if you can rush the passer they'd have you doing it. I don't even dislike Curry I just get tired of reading this arguments that have no merit. Guy is not pass rusher, argue his strengths don't give him one that he doesn't have.
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04-11-2009, 09:18 PM	#233
KCBOSS1 RAISE EM RIGHT Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Arkansas Casino cash: $10005366	Well, let's see....he's fast, big, good instincts, agile.....sounds like all of the characteristics of a good pass rusher to me. "OK, the guy with the ball about to pass....go hit him!" It doesn't take a genius to be a pass rusher.
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04-11-2009, 09:18 PM	#234
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-692950	If you think Curry can play outside in a 3-4 this is all I ask.. Give me one example of a traditional 4-3 backer that also played outside in the 3-4, the outside backers in the 3-4 are converted defensive ends..I can not think of 1 example of a traditional LB that stayed outside in the 3-4.
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