Football Sanchez? - Page 7

Hootie · 10-18-2009, 04:45 PM

Man...sure glad we didn't draft him...he looks terrible.

**kysirsoze** · 10-18-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

I want him to look awful because that will mean that the Chiefs made a good decision by not picking him.

He seems like a nice guy so I hate to root against him, but part of me agrees with this. Just a piece of mind thing. That said, one bad game does not a bust make.

**DeezNutz** · 10-18-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

I wanted the team to select Sanchez. I wanted Stafford. We didn't get them. I realized I had to move on.

Am I in love with Cassel? No. Hopefully some day I will be.

Does it do me any good to pine for Sanchez and root for him now that he's a Jet? No.

I agree with all of this.

**doomy3** · 10-18-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This is the part I don't understand. Sanchez got a TON of credit for doing some impressive things, but mostly being a little erratic... but he won games. Now that his defense is giving up some scores late in the games, suddenly, the "Sanchez just knows how to win games" argument doesn't apply. Meanwhile, Cassel has done a lot of the same things as Sanchez. He's been largely ineffective most of the game, but in the three games the defense kept the opposing offense honest, Cassel engineered go-ahead drives in each of those games late in the game.

Let's face it. The ONLY reason there was so much Sanchez ball-washing was because he won games. Now that he's not, it's becoming extremely clear that the two are having very similar seasons production-wise.

What is the definition of subpar, really? Because Big Ben's game has always been about managing the game early, letting the defense put them in the position to win games, and then making some big plays late in the 4th quarter. Has Cassel really done anything all that different?

What do we really want out of our QB? The big playmaker or the guy that knows how to close games?

To many of us who watched the Jets games and didn't just watch the highlights, we saw that in a couple of those games Sanchez "closed out" he actually threw interceptions in key 4th quarter drives that would either ice the games or put his team ahead. The defense saved those games, and there is really no question about it.

**mlyonsd** · 10-18-2009, 05:27 PM

Ha ha, that was a Herm type challenge.....for 6 yards

Mr. Laz · 10-18-2009, 05:27 PM

I pretty much always root against teams from California,Texas and New York.

Being from the midwest, why wouldn't you?

TheGuardian · 10-18-2009, 05:28 PM

Sanchez has thrown 4 picks and is 8 of 23 right now. The score? 13-13. Like I said all year, that defense has carried that team and they have won in SPITE of Sanchez, not because of him.

**DeezNutz** · 10-18-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

To many of us who watched the Jets games and didn't just watch the highlights, we saw that in a couple of those games Sanchez "closed out" he actually threw interceptions in key 4th quarter drives that would either ice the games or put his team ahead. The defense saved those games, and there is really no question about it.

Of course it's always more complicated than some broad generalization accounts for.

Similarly, it's disingenuous to heap too much praise on Cassel for his performance at the end of the OAK game when his play in the earlier part of the game was a significant factor for why the team wasn't already (potentially comfortably) ahead.

Deberg_1990 · 10-18-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

I pretty much always root against teams from California,Texas and New York.

Being from the midwest, why wouldn't you?

Envious much?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-18-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac

So...

A rookie with 4 OL that were former 1st round picks...a former 1st round pick RB...a former #3 overall WR...all the talent around him in the world...gets a pass...

BUT

Matt Cassel...with the shittiest supporting cast of all time...a guy who hasn't thrown a pick in 4 games...

Can't hold Sanchez' jock?!

Hilarious.

I guess taking Vernon Gholston over Matt Ryan wasn't a fluke for you...

I forgot that we were making evaluations for rookies' futures after one-third of a season.

God, you're a ****ing idiot.

Peyton Manning, your God among men, had Marvin Harrison, Tarik Glenn, and Marshall Faulk as a rookie, and went 3-13 with 31 ****ing interceptions.

31 picks.

**doomy3** · 10-18-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Of course it's always more complicated than some broad generalization accounts for.

Similarly, it's disingenuous to heap too much praise on Cassel for his performance at the end of the OAK game when his play in the earlier part of the game was a significant factor for why the team wasn't already (potentially comfortably) ahead.

I agree with that. You haven't see me posting a lot pumping up what Cassel is doing either. I would like to see what he could do with a legitimate line and running game though. I think he has played fairly well all things considered though. And he hasn't outright lost games with horrible play.

If the Jets lose today, it will be because of Mark Sanchez. I would say that if Kelen Clemons was the QB for the Jets today, they are up a couple TDs.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-18-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Sanchez has thrown 4 picks and is 8 of 23 right now. The score? 13-13. Like I said all year, that defense has carried that team and they have won in SPITE of Sanchez, not because of him.

Who here said that he was ready to lead a championship or playoff caliber team as a rookie? Please, point me to one person who has made this claim.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-18-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Of course it's always more complicated than some broad generalization accounts for.

Similarly, it's disingenuous to heap too much praise on Cassel for his performance at the end of the OAK game when his play in the earlier part of the game was a significant factor for why the team wasn't already (potentially comfortably) ahead.

Ben Roethlisberger throws for about 3,000 yards every year and always has as many QBs as he does INTs.

He has made his mark in the NFL by being able to make plays when they count most. And when he makes a big 4th quarter go-ahead drive, his defense usually steps up and makes a big stop when they need to.

Are you going to say that Big Ben is a below average QB because he has pretty good 1st halves, but very good 4th quarters? I don't understand why Sanchez got so much praise for throwing for 150 yards but making plays when it matters most, but Cassel gets criticized for essentially doing the same thing but not having the defense to close out those games in most cases.

**DeezNutz** · 10-18-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I forgot that we were making evaluations for rookies' futures after one-third of a season.

God, you're a ****ing idiot.

Peyton Manning, your God among men, had Marvin Harrison, Tarik Glenn, and Marshall Faulk as a rookie, and went 3-13 with 31 ****ing interceptions.

31 picks.

14 after week 6.

How would KC fans have handled this?

tk13 · 10-18-2009, 05:35 PM

Defenses have obviously adjusted to some of the things they were seeing from Sanchez. All part of being a rookie, the trick is how will Sanchez adjust. I don't think Sanchez is Peyton Manning but he should be fine. This place is going to be unbearable the first time we play the Jets. I'm over it.

**DeezNutz** · 10-18-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

I agree with that. You haven't see me posting a lot pumping up what Cassel is doing either. I would like to see what he could do with a legitimate line and running game though. I think he has played fairly well all things considered though. And he hasn't outright lost games with horrible play.

If the Jets lose today, it will be because of Mark Sanchez. I would say that if Kelen Clemons was the QB for the Jets today, they are up a couple TDs.

Completely agree with the first.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the second because he's been a significant contributing factor.

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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1867500	Defenses have obviously adjusted to some of the things they were seeing from Sanchez. All part of being a rookie, the trick is how will Sanchez adjust. I don't think Sanchez is Peyton Manning but he should be fine. This place is going to be unbearable the first time we play the Jets. I'm over it.
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