Chiefs 2013 QB Class - Page 12

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:06 AM

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

htismaqe · 12-11-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

See this is where we disagree. There is a top 2 and then a bunch of others. I just don't see how Barkley is considered a top QB.
As mentioned early and you agreed Barkley has a weaker arm than Chad Pennington and is not a cerebral as Pennington was. How is Barkley top anything? Oh yeah because he is available and you are desperate.

I did NOT agree that Barkley had a weaker arm than Pennington, NO I DID NOT.

Let me put it this way - name an option for QB that is BETTER than taking Barkley at #3.

Alex Smith? Trying to go after Matt Flynn?

Or would you prefer to do nothing and go into next season with a battle between Brady Quinn and Matt Cassel?

Oh let me guess, you're gonna trade down and play Russion Roulette with the most important position in professional sports.

keg in kc · 12-11-2012, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Oh let me guess, you're gonna trade down and play Russion Roulette with the most important position in professional sports.

We haven't drafted one in like 25 years. Why would we change that now? Especially when there's possibly a 49ers backup available.

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 05:05 PM

If someone wants to identify an alternative course of action other than the draft, I'm ready to read and be convinced of it. I'll champion the cause to go balls deep on this QB in an effort to "save the Chiefs."

But I need to know whom we're targeting and how we're acquiring this QB. Be very specific. If not, you really have no plan.

My plan is to draft Smith, Wilson, or Barkley. I'm doing this with the team's first selection in the first round. These are each very talented QBs whom I believe will instantly improve the roster.

Now give me your plan and explain how QB __ makes more sense.

keg in kc · 12-11-2012, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If someone wants to identify an alternative course of action other than the draft, I'm ready to read and be convinced of it. I'll champion the cause to go balls deep on this QB in an effort to "save the Chiefs."

But I need to know whom we're targeting and how we're acquiring this QB. Be very specific. If not, you really have no plan.

My plan is to draft Smith, Wilson, or Barkley. I'm doing this with the team's first selection in the first round. These are each very talented QBs whom I believe will instantly improve the roster.

Now give me your plan and explain how QB __ makes more sense.

Give up whatever it takes to get Cousins and platoon him and Stanzi? Clone a child of the two and name him Stanzins?

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If someone wants to identify an alternative course of action other than the draft, I'm ready to read and be convinced of it. I'll champion the cause to go balls deep on this QB in an effort to "save the Chiefs."

But I need to know whom we're targeting and how we're acquiring this QB. Be very specific. If not, you really have no plan.

My plan is to draft Smith, Wilson, or Barkley. I'm doing this with the team's first selection in the first round. These are each very talented QBs whom I believe will instantly improve the roster.

Now give me your plan and explain how QB __ makes more sense.

Yep. Figured this type of post might kill the thread.

Chief Roundup · 12-11-2012, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I did NOT agree that Barkley had a weaker arm than Pennington, NO I DID NOT.

Quote:

Isn't Barkley basically Chad Pennington?

He did show some spunk under pressure late in the year which helped a lot in my eyes but still ...

Posted by Laz

Quote:

No. He's not Chad Pennington.

Barkley can't drive the ball down the field with his arm but he can make the intermediate throws.

Posted by htismage commenting back to Laz.

Quote:

No Pennington had a stronger arm coming out of college. His arm strength was never the greatest but he didn't have the arm issues until after the shoulder issues. Not to mention Pennington was a much more cerebral than Barkley.

My comment to Laz

Quote:

Yeah, Pennington had a bunch of shoulder problems.

Your comment back to me.

Your comments in http://http://www.chiefsplanet.com/B...d.php?t=263693 sure seem to say something different at least to me.

htismaqe · 12-11-2012, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Give up whatever it takes to get Cousins and platoon him and Stanzi? Clone a child of the two and name him Stanzins?

htismaqe · 12-11-2012, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Posted by Laz

Posted by htismage commenting back to Laz.

My comment to Laz

Your comment back to me.

Your comments in http://http://www.chiefsplanet.com/B...d.php?t=263693 sure seem to say something different at least to me.

He asked if Barkley was Chad Pennington and I said "no" - it doesn't get any more clear than that. There's an implied statement about Pennington in my statement about Barkley.

"Barkley can't drive the ball down the field with his arm but he can make the intermediate throws" - the part in bold implies that Barkley can make the intermediate throws while Pennington struggled with them.

My reply to you was specifically about Pennington's shoulder issues, not your comments on his arm strength.

Brock · 12-11-2012, 05:26 PM

Good christ.

Chief Roundup · 12-11-2012, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He asked if Barkley was Chad Pennington and I said "no" - it doesn't get any more clear than that. There's an implied statement about Pennington in my statement about Barkley.

"Barkley can't drive the ball down the field with his arm but he can make the intermediate throws" - the part in bold implies that Barkley can make the intermediate throws while Pennington struggled with them.

My reply to you was specifically about Pennington's shoulder issues, not your comments on his arm strength.

Who can't make the intermediate throws. We need a QB that can drive the ball downfield.

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Who can't make the intermediate throws. We need a QB that can drive the ball downfield.

Not worried.

htismaqe · 12-11-2012, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Who can't make the intermediate throws. We need a QB that can drive the ball downfield.

Lots of QBs can't make the intermediate throws, Lord knows Cassel and Quinn can't.

You can win in this game using an offense that relies on accuracy/timing (something Barkley has) and YAC (something Bowe excels at).

Barkley isn't all that different than Drew Brees in this aspect.

htismaqe · 12-11-2012, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Not worried.

He throws a nice fade. I worry that it hangs a little though - NFL CBs can close on that pretty fast.

keg in kc · 12-11-2012, 05:33 PM

That's actually one of the things I like the most about Smith. He's got the cannon, can deliver the 50-yard strike on target. But he can also make basically any other throw. And he has touch. You won't see him breaking guys fingers on slants or throwing screens with no arc on the delivery.

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

That's actually one of the things I like the most about Smith. He's got the cannon, can deliver the 50-yard strike on target. But he can also make basically any other throw. And he has touch. You won't see him breaking guys fingers on slants or throwing screens with no arc on the delivery.

True enough. I see it as:

Smith
Wilson

Barkley.

But the last option is substantially better than anything else available to us (still waiting on someone to offer another plan), and is a legitimate first-round talent whom we could build around and win with.

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	2013 QB Class This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it. I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about. The top three in this years class are in no particular order: Geno Smith Tyler Wilson Matt Barkley Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right. So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false. No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning. Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask? Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class. 2007 Jamarcus Russel Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb 2008 Matt Ryan Joe Flacco Brian Brohm 2009 Matt Stafford Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman 2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen 2011 Cam Newton Blaine Gabbert Jake Locker Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL. I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom. So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.
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