Chiefs 2013 QB Class - Page 17

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:06 AM

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

**the Talking Can** · 12-11-2012, 09:55 PM

[QUOTE=Austin Ed;9201175]

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And my post was more serious than not. You have a bunch of people who haven't seen him play making comments.

That's the nature of a message board.[/

They are asking the exact same question about Geno on the Jacksonville board---The Jungle. Answer there from a WVU fan is that Geno has underpeformed against better defenses, and has had problems finding receivers and has been less accurate in critical third down situations. I saw him play in person against Texas early in the year and he was lights out. However, he was not the same guy in some other games (eg, TTU and K State).

ask oklahoma's defense how he played...you can't throw for 4000 yards, 6 ints, at a 70% percent completion rate and have 'problems finding receivers'

i've never seen a guy get killed so bad for one truly bad game - kstate...

he carried the worst defense in college, regularly had to pass on 4th down, had to score 40 to even have a chance to win....and all people do is kill him for not winning a national championship

meanwhile we got people pimping life long choke artists like murray, or guys who have accomplished jack shit like bray...it's crazy

O.city · 12-11-2012, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

You can probably add the Jets and the Eagles to the list... Foles may get the job. But lets say 6 to be conservative. Who are your top 7 QBs?

Say this is true, which it may very well be.

Why wait and take the 7th best QB in the draft, when you can pretty much assure yourself the top 1 or 2?

Sorter · 12-11-2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Dee Milliner could be pretty close.

This post is BlackBob quality.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 09:57 PM

Sorter we could use some of your elite football knowledge in this thread.

ILChief · 12-11-2012, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

You can probably add the Jets and the Eagles to the list... Foles may get the job. But lets say 6 to be conservative. Who are your top 7 QBs?

Geno
Wilson
Barkley
Bray
Glennon

After that, you're getting into backup QB level players. I don't even like the last two that much

Austin Ed · 12-11-2012, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckweath

Geno' s flaws: poor footwork, playing in a system which doesn' t require as many reads as he'll have to make in the NFL, inconsistent deep ball, tends to stare down a receiver at times, reluctant to run with the ball when there is an opening, ...

Not as fast as you think. 4.78 40.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 09:58 PM

Bray, Glennon, Manuel, Thomas are all guys who meet the eye test to a T when evaluating physicality you want in a QB.

It's just that all the other things don't really match up.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin Ed

Not as fast as you think. 4.78 40.

This is something I've noticed. He doesn't have elite speed.

But he absolutely has enough speed to do what he needs to do.

Sorter · 12-11-2012, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

You can probably add the Jets and the Eagles to the list... Foles may get the job. But lets say 6 to be conservative. Who are your top 7 QBs?

Of the guys who will be likely available?

1. Geno
2. Wilson
3. Nassib
4. Barkley
5. Dysert
6. Bray
7. Murray (if he declares)/Glennon

Chief_For_Life58 · 12-11-2012, 10:01 PM

[QUOTE=the Talking Can;9201198]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin Ed

ask oklahoma's defense how he played...you can't throw for 4000 yards, 6 ints, at a 70% percent completion rate and have 'problems finding receivers'

i've never seen a guy get killed so bad for one truly bad game - kstate...

he carried the worst defense in college, regularly had to pass on 4th down, had to score 40 to even have a chance to win....and all people do is kill him for not winning a national championship

meanwhile we got people pimping life long choke artists like murray, or guys who have accomplished jack shit like bray...it's crazy

this

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:02 PM

I haven't kept up with it exclusively, but someone explain to me what exactly will happen if we take Geno or Wilson at the top of the first round and he does in fact bust?

You can't bang the hot prom queen after prom, if you don't infact go to prom.

Sorter · 12-11-2012, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

I haven't kept up with it exclusively, but someone explain to me what exactly will happen if we take Geno or Wilson at the top of the first round and he does in fact bust?

You can't bang the hot prom queen after prom, if you don't infact go to prom.

Nothing happens. Chances are, even if they bust hard, they're still going to be as productive and likely more so than the QB we've had.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:05 PM

I mean, I realize people want to get good fast.

Whats the quickest way to get good fast? Draft a QB or draft an ILB early.

Chief_For_Life58 · 12-11-2012, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

This is something I've noticed. He doesn't have elite speed.

But he absolutely has enough speed to do what he needs to do.

since he didnt grow up with track speed he wouldnt naturally tuck the ball and start running. he grew up evading pressure planting his feet and throwing a dart down field. he has the ceiling to be aaron rodgers. please god make clark draft him

Sorter · 12-11-2012, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

I mean, I realize people want to get good fast.

Whats the quickest way to get good fast? Draft a QB or draft an ILB early.

Drafting a LT after we resign Albert IMO. We still have time to move him to LG.

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	2013 QB Class This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it. I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about. The top three in this years class are in no particular order: Geno Smith Tyler Wilson Matt Barkley Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right. So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false. No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning. Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask? Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class. 2007 Jamarcus Russel Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb 2008 Matt Ryan Joe Flacco Brian Brohm 2009 Matt Stafford Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman 2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen 2011 Cam Newton Blaine Gabbert Jake Locker Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL. I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom. So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.
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12-11-2012, 09:57 PM	#244
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	Sorter we could use some of your elite football knowledge in this thread.
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12-11-2012, 09:58 PM	#247
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	Bray, Glennon, Manuel, Thomas are all guys who meet the eye test to a T when evaluating physicality you want in a QB. It's just that all the other things don't really match up.
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12-11-2012, 10:02 PM	#251
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	I haven't kept up with it exclusively, but someone explain to me what exactly will happen if we take Geno or Wilson at the top of the first round and he does in fact bust? You can't bang the hot prom queen after prom, if you don't infact go to prom.
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12-11-2012, 10:05 PM	#253
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	I mean, I realize people want to get good fast. Whats the quickest way to get good fast? Draft a QB or draft an ILB early.
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