Chiefs 2013 QB Class - Page 20

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:06 AM

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

**RealSNR** · 12-11-2012, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

He could be great. I don't know, but I don't think he is that much better a prospect to be chosen when we have a deep QB class. He hasn't played against that many big time opponents and puts up most of his stats against lesser teams. He had two ints against OU.

Andrew Luck had 3 INTs once against USC.

So tell us. You didn't actually watch any of his games, did you?

kcbubb · 12-11-2012, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

so you haven't actually watched him play

or any of the other QBs either, probably...

that's why you can't reference any actual plays in actual games, or mention any actual specifics about his mechanics, his offense, his defense, his coaching, basically anything...much less his mechanics compared to any other specific QB

but you can copy and paste his schedule from the internet and pretend it means something...

I watch SEC football mostly. But I did see him play some. Of the QBs on the list, I have watched Wilson, Bray and Murray a lot. I think Wilson benefitted a lot from Petrino. Petrino made Brian Brohm look good. I wouldn't draft Wilson in the 1st for sure.

**BossChief** · 12-11-2012, 10:31 PM

Even as a rookie, Geno would be the best qb we will have had since 2006 (season opener).

This fanbase would LOVE him.

Sorter · 12-11-2012, 10:31 PM

Here's Geno's snaps against OU, whose pass D was I believe ranked in the top 10 at the time.

**hometeam** · 12-11-2012, 10:32 PM

SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2012 350 490 4004 71.4 8.17 87 40 6 17 164.6
2011 346 526 4385 65.8 8.34 84 31 7 26 152.6
2010 241 372 2763 64.8 7.43 71 24 7 28 144.7
2009 32 49 309 65.3 6.31 33 1 1 5 120.9

How ****ing perfect does Geno have to play to appease you people! christ!

kcbubb · 12-11-2012, 10:32 PM

I do know that this draft has depth at the QB position. I don't believe that their is elite level talent at the top. I don't necessarily think we should overdraft for need in a position group that has depth.

**the Talking Can** · 12-11-2012, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I watch SEC football mostly. But I did see him play some. Of the QBs on the list, I have watched Wilson, Bray and Murray a lot. I think Wilson benefitted a lot from Petrino. Petrino made Brian Brohm look good. I wouldn't draft Wilson in the 1st for sure.

you keep saying some vague 'some'...but you really haven't watched him

and if you had watched his game against OU - which you didn't - you'd know it was incredible and you wouldn't be criticizing him for it

and saying you wouldn't draft wilson in the first, while also saying there is little difference between smith and murray is just...well...yeah..a train wreck of an opinion

Sorter · 12-11-2012, 10:33 PM

The pass at 2:48 is

worthy

**BossChief** · 12-11-2012, 10:34 PM

I can't wait to go to the season opener and be part of the massive standing ovation we are gonna give Geno Smith.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I do know that this draft has depth at the QB position. I don't believe that their is elite level talent at the top. I don't necessarily think we should overdraft for need in a position group that has depth.

When talking about the most important position in all of sports, you absolutely overdraft for need, cause if you don't have one it doesn't matter.

So you take the best one available and roll with it.

**BossChief** · 12-11-2012, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I do know that this draft has depth at the QB position. I don't believe that their is elite level talent at the top. I don't necessarily think we should overdraft for need in a position group that has depth.

Go fist your grandmother.

Sorter · 12-11-2012, 10:36 PM

http://youtu.be/LZCPd5u6f3c?t=3m26s

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:39 PM

The throw at 1;05 is impressive.

And 3;29

Nightfyre · 12-11-2012, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I do know that this draft has depth at the QB position. I don't believe that their is elite level talent at the top. I don't necessarily think we should overdraft for need in a position group that has depth.

I think that applies to every position except left tackle, quarterback and pass rushers.

These are positions where you are counting on elite level of play to dictate the game. So with respect to these positions, you should draft the person who you think will be or has the best chance to be THAT guy who can absolutely takeover a game.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:42 PM

I don't really care about the numbers Geno has put up, impressive as they are.

It's the upside that I like so much.

And the fact that he's a football junkie.

12-11-2012, 10:06 AM
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	2013 QB Class This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it. I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about. The top three in this years class are in no particular order: Geno Smith Tyler Wilson Matt Barkley Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right. So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false. No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning. Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask? Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class. 2007 Jamarcus Russel Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb 2008 Matt Ryan Joe Flacco Brian Brohm 2009 Matt Stafford Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman 2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen 2011 Cam Newton Blaine Gabbert Jake Locker Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL. I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom. So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.
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12-11-2012, 10:31 PM	#288
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1755912	Even as a rookie, Geno would be the best qb we will have had since 2006 (season opener). This fanbase would LOVE him. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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12-11-2012, 10:32 PM	#290
hometeam Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Casino cash: $1501956	SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT 2012 350 490 4004 71.4 8.17 87 40 6 17 164.6 2011 346 526 4385 65.8 8.34 84 31 7 26 152.6 2010 241 372 2763 64.8 7.43 71 24 7 28 144.7 2009 32 49 309 65.3 6.31 33 1 1 5 120.9 How ****ing perfect does Geno have to play to appease you people! christ!
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12-11-2012, 10:32 PM	#291
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $4996719	I do know that this draft has depth at the QB position. I don't believe that their is elite level talent at the top. I don't necessarily think we should overdraft for need in a position group that has depth.
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12-11-2012, 10:34 PM	#294
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1755912	I can't wait to go to the season opener and be part of the massive standing ovation we are gonna give Geno Smith. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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12-11-2012, 10:39 PM	#298
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	The throw at 1;05 is impressive. And 3;29
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12-11-2012, 10:42 PM	#300
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	I don't really care about the numbers Geno has put up, impressive as they are. It's the upside that I like so much. And the fact that he's a football junkie.
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