2013 QB Class

[O.city]

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Bray's an asshole, but he isn't mongoloid.

True, but he's the second comming of Jeff George.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by KC_Lee

True, but he's the second comming of Jeff George.

We'll see how serious he'll take his craft.

[htismaqe]

The Border Patrol guys just punked Gary Lezak, the KSHB weatherman.

They told him apparently yesterday or the day before that the Chiefs were going to take Matt Scott.

So Lezak went and "scouted" Matt Scott.

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

We'll see how serious he'll take his craft.

I have always said that Bray would need a great QB coach to help him with his accuracy and overall game. Give him that and he could be a world beater, but without that he will just be another cannon arm QB that can't hit a wide open receiver running a simple slant pattern.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by KC_Lee

I have always said that Bray would need a great QB coach to help him with his accuracy and overall game. Give him that and he could be a world beater, but without that he will just be another cannon arm QB that can't hit a wide open receiver running a simple slant pattern.

From what I've seen Bray is pinpoint accurate , his WRs have horrible hands collectively( he hits them in stride or right in the numbers and they simply drop good passes). Then he starts pressing, and then gets into trouble( or/and gets lazy with his reads).

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I would imagine the fact that he doubled his INTs and sacks from last season along with 4 losses. USC is suppose to be so talented yet he had a bad season in a weak conference.

Get the **** outta here with that "weak conference" bullshit. The PAC-12 is ranked only behind the SEC this year in ESPN's conference power ranking, with four teams in the top 25 and eight teams bowl eligible. It's not like he played in Sun Belt conference or something.

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

From what I've seen Bray is pinpoint accurate , his WRs have horrible hands collectively( he hits them in stride or right in the numbers and they simply drop good passes). Then he starts pressing, and then gets into trouble( or/and gets lazy with his reads).

Living in TN I have seen a lot of Bray. I have seen him miss wide open receivers with little to no pressure from the D. On the flip side I've also seen him hit deep passes with ease.

And your point about his receivers is a good one. I wonder how much better Bray would have looked it Da'Rick Rogers had not been release from the team.

Again, I think he has all the talent in the world and would be great if he had a strong QB coach. Then again, Dooley never struck me as a great coach either.

I think it's feast or famine with Bray.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by KC_Lee

I think it's feast or famine with Bray.

I don't think the Chiefs are in a position to gamble with a QB like that. None of the QB's are a sure thing but taking a top QB is less of a risk than rolling the dice with a later pick. You take a guy like Bray if you have an aging vet on your team and then groom him for a couple of years, a la Rodgers.The Chiefs need someone that can come in and play right away.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by KC_Lee

Living in TN I have seen a lot of Bray. I have seen him miss wide open receivers with little to no pressure from the D. On the flip side I've also seen him hit deep passes with ease.

And your point about his receivers is a good one. I wonder how much better Bray would have looked it Da'Rick Rogers had not been release from the team.

Again, I think he has all the talent in the world and would be great if he had a strong QB coach. Then again, Dooley never struck me as a great coach either.

I think it's feast or famine with Bray.

I guy who I believe is fool's gold but is being pumped up the national media now oddly, is Mike Glennon. He at times makes Cassel reads throwing it at a certain area no matter what, of course he doesn't have WRs either but with his ball placement too he's just an average prospect when it comes to reading coverage and accuracy.I believe "talent evaluators " are becoming enthralled with his physical skill set.

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I don't think the Chiefs are in a position to gamble with a QB like that. None of the QB's are a sure thing but taking a top QB is less of a risk than rolling the dice with a later pick. You take a guy like Bray if you have an aging vet on your team and then groom him for a couple of years, a la Rodgers.The Chiefs need someone that can come in and play right away.

Agree with this 100%.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I don't think the Chiefs are in a position to gamble with a QB like that. None of the QB's are a sure thing but taking a top QB is less of a risk than rolling the dice with a later pick. You take a guy like Bray if you have an aging vet on your team and then groom him for a couple of years, a la Rodgers.The Chiefs need someone that can come in and play right away.

[O.city]

Bray is the absolute prototypical QB you look for, in terms of physicality. Tall, strong, big arm.

But his intangibles don't match up at this point.

[Jimmy the Greek]

At this point anything will be an improvement

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Jimmy the Greek

At this point anything will be an improvement

This is something people are downplaying who don't want to draft a QB first.


Look at our QB play this year. It's absolutely the worst in the NFL. You take the rookie, it can't get worse.

The potential upside of taking a Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson or Matt Barkley and them panning out, is so high that it's crazy not to take one.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Get the **** outta here with that "weak conference" bullshit. The PAC-12 is ranked only behind the SEC this year in ESPN's conference power ranking, with four teams in the top 25 and eight teams bowl eligible. It's not like he played in Sun Belt conference or something.

Oh ok thanks for making my point even more for me. So the Pac-12 is better overall this year. Yet USC finished tied for 5th overall in that conference. While Barkley doubled his ints and sacks.