NFL Draft QB, RB, and WR Day at the combine - Page 13

Coogs · 02-22-2009, 09:54 AM

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'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Hamas, let's be honest.

If he would have looked great today, you would have been among the many who would have been on this thread talking about how he cemented himself as a top pick.

I've been pretty consistent in saying that there is no reason for top QBs to throw because it means nothing.

I wasn't one of the people jumping up and down like monkeys when Stafford wouldn't throw and how that would knock him down on their board.

Like I said, the only part of the combine that matters for QBs are interviews and the Wonderlic. Everything else you need to evaluate them is on tape.

And God, Shonn Greene with a horrible ****ing 40.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You are an idiot if you think that those 10 throws by a quarterback to guys he's never played with before, mean rat shit to a scout.

If you take a 5 step drop to throw an out and the ball comes out as soon as your foot plants on the last step, the speed at which the WR runs his route and makes his cut makes all the difference. If the WR makes a bad cut and the ball goes nowhere near him, he's not the one who looks bad, even if he's the one who made the mistake.

If we were talking about game situations, you would be right. Because the WR is running to uncover himself and the ball must be thrown often before the QB can even see the WR.

However, in this situation, the cones are ste up as for when the WR's are to break, and the QB gets to watch him the entire route and time his throw accordingly. Sanchez's throws weren't even close most of the time.

I thought we were watching film of Tyler Thigpen out there.

Just more evidence that the franchise QB crowd will justify anything they have to in order to feel good about drafting a QB at #3.

Pablo · 02-22-2009, 01:32 PM

Ian Johnson with a 4.38

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

If we were talking about game situations, you would be right. Because the WR is running to uncover himself and the ball must be thrown often before the QB can even see the WR.

However, in this situation, the cones are ste up as for when the WR's are to break, and the QB gets to watch him the entire route and time his throw accordingly. Sanchez's throws weren't even close most of the time.

I thought we were watching film of Tyler Thigpen out there.

Just more evidence that the franchise QB crowd will justify anything they have to in order to feel good about drafting a QB at #3.

No. QB pats the ball, WR starts his route. QB starts his drop, WR is running. QB hits his last step and lets it fly, the WR cuts when he gets to the cone.

Keep in mind, I'm not making an excuse for Sanchez's throws, which were inaccurate, but your idea of how the route progresses is incorrect.

Wow. Great 40 from Ian Johnson. Thought he was more of a 4.5-4.6 guy.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You really are trying to not see any side but your own, aren't you?

I conceded that this workout could hurt him.

You refuse to even acknowledge any viewpoint but your own.

Yes, that is it. I am the hard headed one. LOL. I was hoping to see him perform well. He didn't.

I have said that if the Chiefs take him, I will give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't see any way they will.

It would be different if he had done well, and I was trying to say it wasn't that good. He did poorly, and all this justifcation and excuse making starts.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No. QB pats the ball, WR starts his route. QB starts his drop, WR is running. QB hits his last step and lets it fly, the WR cuts when he gets to the cone.

Wow. Great 40 from Ian Johnson. Thought he was more of a 4.5-4.6 guy.

Actually, it depends on the drill. He missed two throws without even dropping. They did the first couple throws without dropping back at all.

Then, there is the five step drop where they must throw imediately. However, they get to watch the WR during that time and time their throw accoringly, and there are CONES to know where the WR is cutting. (throw for the cones and if the WR isn't there, at least look on target)

Then, there is the seven step drop with more time to watch the WR.

Oh, and finally, on the post corner, there was a hitch in as well, to watch even longer.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Actually, it depends on the drill. He missed two throws without even dropping. They did the first couple throws without dropping back at all.

Then, there is the five step drop where they must throw imediately. However, they get to watch the WR during that time and time their throw accoringly, and there are CONES to know where the WR is cutting. (throw for the cones and if the WR isn't there, at least look on target)

Then, there is the seven step drop with more time to watch the WR.

Oh, and finally, on the post corner, there was a hitch in as well, to watch even longer.

I was pretty obviously talking about the out routes

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I've been pretty consistent in saying that there is no reason for top QBs to throw because it means nothing.

I wasn't one of the people jumping up and down like monkeys when Stafford wouldn't throw and how that would knock him down on their board.

Like I said, the only part of the combine that matters for QBs are interviews and the Wonderlic. Everything else you need to evaluate them is on tape.

And God, Shonn Greene with a horrible ****ing 40.

One must wonder why Sanchez threw then. In my opinion, he has made quite a few, from coming out early despite the advice of his coach and parents, to hiring his brother as his agent.

I know, I am am just bashing the kid. But, the pro Sanchez crowd act like he is a no brainer. I think he will be a bust in five years.

Akili Smith has a similar story to Sanchez's, in that he had one good year, and then vaulted to a top five pick.

In fact, does ANYONE have an example of a single QB that started for one year prior to coming out, especially, as a junior that ever panned out in the NFL?

Seriously.

**Bowser** · 02-22-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Wow. Great 40 from Ian Johnson. Thought he was more of a 4.5-4.6 guy.

The Boise State kid?

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I was pretty obviously talking about the out routes

Of course, because the other routes don't matter, right?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

One must wonder why Sanchez threw then. In my opinion, he has made quite a few, from coming out early despite the advice of his coach and parents, to hiring his brother as his agent.

I know, I am am just bashing the kid. But, the pro Sanchez crowd act like he is a no brainer. I think he will be a bust in five years.

Akili Smith has a similar story to Sanchez's, in that he had one good year, and then vaulted to a top five pick.

In fact, does ANYONE have an example of a single QB that started for one year prior to coming out, especially, as a junior that ever panned out in the NFL?

Seriously.

Yes.

Sanchez was also cheated on the Wonderlic, like Akili Smith.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Of course, because the other routes don't matter, right?

Do you want me to break down every ****ing route by text?

Jesus Tits.

milkman · 02-22-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yes.

Sanchez was also cheated on the Wonderlic, like Akili Smith.

Has Sanchez taken the Wonderlic, and if so, has his score been posted?

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Mayock just showed some highlights and talked about Sanchez's accuracy and arm strength.

But this workout just showed he lacks both.

he should go in the 5th round.

Yes, this.

Great value for KC in the 6th.

Hey, isn't this where Pioli does his best work? Good news!

milkman · 02-22-2009, 02:01 PM

Anyone else notice that Sanchez has moved up 4 spots from 10 to 6 since yesterday in Mayock's player rankings?

It'll be interesting to see how this workout today affects his ranking tomorrow. or when he next updates it.

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