NFL Draft QB, RB, and WR Day at the combine - Page 17

Coogs · 02-22-2009, 09:54 AM

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aturnis · 02-22-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

The performance schools those guys go to, not to mention the 300 grand they drop to go, indicate otherwise. If it didn't matter, I sure as hell wouldn't spend the money or the time to go out and risk not only injury, but making myself look bad in front of a bunch of talent scouts.

I dont agree when you say it doesn't matter for the QBs.

For QB's, their pro day is more important. How many balls did Sanchez throw today? He's likely to throw over 50 at his pro day. I'm guessing the dough he's spending, and the work he's doing might have a little to do with that.

kstater · 02-22-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

The performance schools those guys go to, not to mention the 300 grand they drop to go, indicate otherwise. If it didn't matter, I sure as hell wouldn't spend the money or the time to go out and risk not only injury, but making myself look bad in front of a bunch of talent scouts.

I dont agree when you say it doesn't matter for the QBs.

And the majority of that investment is for the lessons on the wonderlic and interview preparation.

CrazyHorse · 02-22-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

For QB's, their pro day is more important. How many balls did Sanchez throw today? He's likely to throw over 50 at his pro day. I'm guessing the dough he's spending, and the work he's doing might have a little to do with that.

Thats a totally reasonable statement. However, saying that the combine means nothing to the value of a QB is not reasonable. There are scouts that participated in todays workout that may have decided not to go to his pro day. He could have been injured. He could have convinced scouts and coaches that maybe it was worth going to his pro day. There are several things that could come from today. After his performance none of those things are positive.

Chiefnj2 · 02-22-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Thats a totally reasonable statement. However, saying that the combine means nothing to the value of a QB is not reasonable. There are scouts that participated in todays workout that may have decided not to go to his pro day. He could have been injured. He could have convinced scouts and coaches that maybe it was worth going to his pro day. There are several things that could come from today. After his performance none of those things are positive.

Every single team will have at least one scout at USC's pro day.

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Every single team will have at least one scout at USC's pro day.

As it will be with every major program with more than 1 or 2 legit prospects.

There's more to the draft than round 1.

CrazyHorse · 02-22-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

And the majority of that investment is for the lessons on the wonderlic and interview preparation.

Would you spend that kind of money on interview advice when you have an agent? One could certainly argue that many football players aren't getting thier moneys worth in reguards to "training for thier wonderlic".

kstater · 02-22-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Would you spend that kind of money on interview advice when you have an agent? One could certainly argue that many football players aren't getting thier moneys worth in reguards to "training for thier wonderlic".

If it helped me for the important parts of the combine for a QB to ensure a multi-million dollar contract, Hell YEAH.

CrazyHorse · 02-22-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

If it helped me for the important parts of the combine for a QB to ensure a multi-million dollar contract, Hell YEAH.

Well then you and I agree, the combine does matter. My original arguement was that these players dont show up for no reason. You may think that the throwing dont matter. I happen to think it does, or no one would do it or elect not to do it. But the basic fact remains the same. The combine does matter for QBs.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Well then you and I agree, the combine does matter. My original arguement was that these players dont show up for no reason. You may think that the throwing dont matter. I happen to think it does, or no one would do it or elect not to do it. But the basic fact remains the same. The combine does matter for QBs.

I've said this like 10 times:

The only part of the combine that matters for QBs are interviews and the Wonderlic.

The reason why guys who are second tier QBs throw at the combine is because they are desperate to get buzz any way that they can. They are fighting for their professional lives. 1st round Qbs aren't.

The reason why Sanchez did everything at the combine is because he was desperate to get buzz to help elevate him above Stafford.

It's the same reason why Quinn did everything two years ago. He was trying to boost himself ahead of Russell.

Unless he aces his wonderlic and Stafford gets a 22 or below, he failed. But he tried.

He needed to hit a grand slam to pass Stafford on people's boards anyway. He didn't do it. In fact, he didn't get on base at all. He made an out, but it was a productive out.

He showed himself to be willing to do anything to get the attention of teams. It's not enough to elevate him, but it is enough to give him props in the determination and drive department.

gta0012 · 02-22-2009, 06:26 PM

Still questioning if there is a player worth top 5 pick this year for us :/

Sam Hall · 02-22-2009, 06:30 PM

Certain posters are conspicuous by their absence today

It's funny that the combine suddenly doesn't matter to some people. I've said Sanchez would be the pick at 3, but I wasn't crazy about it.

**SAUTO** · 02-22-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gta0012

Still questioning if there is a player worth top 5 pick this year for us :/

nope no top 5s this year

CrazyHorse · 02-22-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I've said this like 10 times:

The only part of the combine that matters for QBs are interviews and the Wonderlic.

The reason why guys who are second tier QBs throw at the combine is because they are desperate to get buzz any way that they can. They are fighting for their professional lives. 1st round Qbs aren't.

The reason why Sanchez did everything at the combine is because he was desperate to get buzz to help elevate him above Stafford.

It's the same reason why Quinn did everything two years ago. He was trying to boost himself ahead of Russell.

Unless he aces his wonderlic and Stafford gets a 22 or below, he failed. But he tried.

He needed to hit a grand slam to pass Stafford on people's boards anyway. He didn't do it. In fact, he didn't get on base at all. He made an out, but it was a productive out.

He showed himself to be willing to do anything to get the attention of teams. It's not enough to elevate him, but it is enough to give him props in the determination and drive department.

I'm sorry. I didn't see the other posts. I just saw the post where you said the combine didn't matter for QBs. I think we agree on this post for the most part.

I do think if you stand to elevate your status, then you certainly can hurt your status as well. In the case of Sanchez, I'm not sure anyone behind him is close enough that he would fall behind them. In fact, I'm sure there's not. I guess what I'm saying is that if he could pass Stafford then he could get passed by someone as well. That would indicate that passing does mean at least something. But I agree that the interviewing process is likely the most important for a QB.

I was looking at Sanchez today hoping for a little more confidence in picking him. In turn I lost a little. I'm not particularly dead set against the guy, just leary of his experience and past history picking QBs in his senario. I personally think that we are very likely to draft him. It would make sense from a ticket sales stand point. At least at 1st.

Being a defensive guy myself I'm still leaning the other way. But I was watching today hoping that Sanchez would stand above the rest of the guys out there.

chiefscafan · 02-22-2009, 06:54 PM

Honestly I now I"ll be blasted for this but I wasn't overly impressed with sanchez and I still think it is a mistake to take him that high.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 06:57 PM

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