Chiefs Are NFL kickers too good? Should the NFL adjust ? - Page 3

Deberg_1990 · 10-28-2013, 07:07 PM

Get rid of extra points?

Narrow the goal posts?

Put a different point value on field goals based on distance?

Discuss.....

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/28/matthe...quarterback/5/

At some point, the NFL’s going to have to acknowledge the efficiency of field-goal kickers is just too good. And the league is either going to have to narrow the goalposts or put a different point value on field goals from different distances.

When kickers are making 19 of 20 field-goal tries, on average, from inside the 40-yard line (stunning but true) and two-thirds of their attempts beyond 50 yards (and they are: 45 of 68, or 66.2%), you know this isn’t what the game is supposed to be. Kicking field goals has just become too easy.

This easy, as the season nears the midpoint:

From inside the 40-yard line: 230 of 245, 93.9%.
From between the 40- and 49-yard line: 126 of 153, 82.4%.

And the biggest waste of time in sports is the point-after. Six were missed all season last year, and this year, only two of 524 have gone awry. It is positively insane that the NFL doesn’t either eliminate the PAT, move the snap way back from the 2-yard line, or force teams to go for two. Something. Anything. For years, it’s been a nothing play, and the Competition Committee refuses to do anything tangible about it.

I know some will say, “Wait until the weather turns. Then you’ll see the percentages go down.” And they will. But by how much? The field goal is simply not challenging enough. Do we want the game to be so boring, to lack any suspense, when a kicker steps up to make a field goal? I can tell you the founding fathers of this game never dreamed the kickers would be so great that they would be good on 87 percent of their field goals through nearly half a season.

**Bugeater** · 10-28-2013, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I'd think eliminating the XP would make results even more unpredictable. It'd be more exciting, but you might end up with more upsets. You get in a close game and someone like Manning or Brady loses because they convert 1 two pointer and the other team has a good day and gets 3.

I fail to see the problem with that.

lcarus · 10-28-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

i think the extra point is a complete waste of time.

Agreed. Let teams elect to take the extra point or go for 2.

vailpass · 10-28-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Can we stop ****ing with the game for five minutes?

THIS

**Buck** · 10-28-2013, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

It's very odd that the extra point has survived. The odds of making it are probably 99.5% or higher. Plus, it's very anti-climactic to kick an extra point for a win or a tie after scoring a touchdown.

They should just give teams seven points and give them the option of risking one of those points by going for eight. So you get 7 points for a touchdown, and if you go for another point you end up with either 8 points (successful) or 6 points (unsuccessful).

That makes the most sense, but...

DJ's left nut · 10-28-2013, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

They could make it illegal for white guys to kick. That'd **** things up a little.

Or you could adopt the inverse of the 'white TD' rule my friends and I adopted in Madden.

If a white guy scores a TD, it counts for 2 TDs (fortunately I've not really been a Madden player in a long time so I never had to worry about the scourge that would've been Wes Welker).

Make FGs from black guys worth 6.

Justin Medlock might have suddenly become useful.

tk13 · 10-28-2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

I fail to see the problem with that.

It'd be exciting. I don't know that it would weed out poor QB play. I don't think anyone here would argue that Alex Smith can make plays within a 5-10 yard zone. Plus we have Charles who can get 2 yards on any well designed run. If we matched Denver score for score... the entire game would come down to 3 or 4 two yard plays.

Psyko Tek · 10-28-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I wouldn't screw with field goal kicks...but the extra point play is the most boring play in all of sports.

that would be when I head to the bathroom, or go get a smoke, or beer etc

Deberg_1990 · 10-28-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

It'd be exciting. I don't know that it would weed out poor QB play. I don't think anyone here would argue that Alex Smith can make plays within a 5-10 yard zone. Plus we have Charles who can get 2 yards on any well designed run. If we matched Denver score for score... the entire game would come down to 3 or 4 two yard plays.

Of course, the NFL obviously doesn't mind the XP and field goal plays. Scoring plays where your stars have no chance of getting hurt.

**Rain Man** · 10-28-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Of course, the NFL obviously doesn't mind the XP and field goal plays. Scoring plays where your stars have no chance of getting hurt.

Rob Gronkowski hates you.

Dayze · 10-28-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck

That makes the most sense, but...

man....I remember seeing that live. I thought the kicker would've drowned himself upon return to NO.

**Rain Man** · 10-28-2013, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck

That makes the most sense, but...

I think I remember two games in my 40+ years of football watching where a missed extra point at the end was the game-losing play. That was certainly the most entertaining one.

**Buck** · 10-28-2013, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think I remember two games in my 40+ years of football watching where a missed extra point at the end was the game-losing play. That was certainly the most entertaining one.

IIRC, this happened in Week 16 and the Saints would have been alive for the playoffs in Week 17 if they won the game, but they lost and were eliminated.

**Rain Man** · 10-28-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck

IIRC, this happened in Week 16 and the Saints would have been alive for the playoffs in Week 17 if they won the game, but they lost and were eliminated.

I remember it was some big deal. It was jaw-dropping either way.

**Buck** · 10-28-2013, 08:15 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_City_Relay

The Saints, at 7-7 entering the game, were attempting to reach the playoffs for the first time since 2000. However, they needed to win both of their final two games to have a chance at qualifying for the postseason. While the Saints led early on in the game 3-0 after a John Carney field goal, the scoring had been mostly dominated by the Jaguars. With just seven seconds left at the end of regulation, the Jaguars had built a 20-13 lead on the Saints.

The Saints were on their own 25-yard line looking at second down and 10. Quarterback Aaron Brooks passed the ball to the right side of the field to receiver Donté Stallworth, who caught the pass at midfield. Stallworth then bounced off a tackle attempt by Jaguars cornerback Fernando Bryant and turned inside and broke two more tackles. The clock had already reached zero, and Stallworth pitched the ball to the 34-yard line to Michael Lewis who ran the ball to the 25-yard line of Jacksonville. He then turned and pitched the ball to Deuce McAllister, who ran to the Jaguars' 20-yard line. McAllister then pitched the ball to the right side of the field to Jerome Pathon, who caught the ball at the 24-yard line of Jacksonville. Brooks, who had hustled all the way downfield, then laid a block on the last Jaguars defender and Pathon dove into the end-zone.

There was a lengthy delay while the officials determined that all of the ball transfers (after the pass to Stallworth) were indeed legal laterals. All the Saints needed was a John Carney extra point to send the game into overtime.

Carney lined up to kick the extra point, hit a dead push, and the kick sailed wide right. The reaction of Saints play-by-play radio announcer Jim Henderson became legendary: "NOOOO!!! He missed the extra point wide right! Oh my God, how could he do that?" Due to the play, the Jaguars won the game 20-19.

Earlier in the season, Coach Haslett had stated to the media that he trusted Carney so much, that he'd even stake his life on him. When reminded later that day of those same comments, Haslett stated, "Then I'd probably be dead right now. He's one of the great all-time kickers. I never would have guessed this would happen."

With the loss, the Saints fell to 7-8 on the season and were eliminated from contention for the 2003 NFL playoffs. However even if the Saints had won in overtime, they would have been eliminated from the playoffs, as the Dallas Cowboys won their tenth game of the season that day (9 was the highest possible number of wins the Saints could have had if they won) and the Seahawks eventually won their tenth game to gain a wild card. The Saints would, however, finish their season on a high note the next week with a 13-7 home victory over the playoff bound Dallas Cowboys. For the Jaguars, the victory would lift them to a 5-10 record. They would go on to lose the next week, 21-14, to another NFC South team, the Atlanta Falcons.

The River City Relay later went on to win the 2004 Best Play ESPY Award.

Gravedigger · 10-28-2013, 08:21 PM

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10-28-2013, 07:07 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $94454	Are NFL kickers too good? Should the NFL adjust ? Get rid of extra points? Narrow the goal posts? Put a different point value on field goals based on distance? Discuss..... http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/28/matthe...quarterback/5/ At some point, the NFL’s going to have to acknowledge the efficiency of field-goal kickers is just too good. And the league is either going to have to narrow the goalposts or put a different point value on field goals from different distances. When kickers are making 19 of 20 field-goal tries, on average, from inside the 40-yard line (stunning but true) and two-thirds of their attempts beyond 50 yards (and they are: 45 of 68, or 66.2%), you know this isn’t what the game is supposed to be. Kicking field goals has just become too easy. This easy, as the season nears the midpoint: From inside the 40-yard line: 230 of 245, 93.9%. From between the 40- and 49-yard line: 126 of 153, 82.4%. And the biggest waste of time in sports is the point-after. Six were missed all season last year, and this year, only two of 524 have gone awry. It is positively insane that the NFL doesn’t either eliminate the PAT, move the snap way back from the 2-yard line, or force teams to go for two. Something. Anything. For years, it’s been a nothing play, and the Competition Committee refuses to do anything tangible about it. I know some will say, “Wait until the weather turns. Then you’ll see the percentages go down.” And they will. But by how much? The field goal is simply not challenging enough. Do we want the game to be so boring, to lack any suspense, when a kicker steps up to make a field goal? I can tell you the founding fathers of this game never dreamed the kickers would be so great that they would be good on 87 percent of their field goals through nearly half a season.
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Buck Take a Chill Pill Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Casino cash: $5980295	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_City_Relay The Saints, at 7-7 entering the game, were attempting to reach the playoffs for the first time since 2000. However, they needed to win both of their final two games to have a chance at qualifying for the postseason. While the Saints led early on in the game 3-0 after a John Carney field goal, the scoring had been mostly dominated by the Jaguars. With just seven seconds left at the end of regulation, the Jaguars had built a 20-13 lead on the Saints. The Saints were on their own 25-yard line looking at second down and 10. Quarterback Aaron Brooks passed the ball to the right side of the field to receiver Donté Stallworth, who caught the pass at midfield. Stallworth then bounced off a tackle attempt by Jaguars cornerback Fernando Bryant and turned inside and broke two more tackles. The clock had already reached zero, and Stallworth pitched the ball to the 34-yard line to Michael Lewis who ran the ball to the 25-yard line of Jacksonville. He then turned and pitched the ball to Deuce McAllister, who ran to the Jaguars' 20-yard line. McAllister then pitched the ball to the right side of the field to Jerome Pathon, who caught the ball at the 24-yard line of Jacksonville. Brooks, who had hustled all the way downfield, then laid a block on the last Jaguars defender and Pathon dove into the end-zone. There was a lengthy delay while the officials determined that all of the ball transfers (after the pass to Stallworth) were indeed legal laterals. All the Saints needed was a John Carney extra point to send the game into overtime. Carney lined up to kick the extra point, hit a dead push, and the kick sailed wide right. The reaction of Saints play-by-play radio announcer Jim Henderson became legendary: "NOOOO!!! He missed the extra point wide right! Oh my God, how could he do that?" Due to the play, the Jaguars won the game 20-19. Earlier in the season, Coach Haslett had stated to the media that he trusted Carney so much, that he'd even stake his life on him. When reminded later that day of those same comments, Haslett stated, "Then I'd probably be dead right now. He's one of the great all-time kickers. I never would have guessed this would happen." With the loss, the Saints fell to 7-8 on the season and were eliminated from contention for the 2003 NFL playoffs. However even if the Saints had won in overtime, they would have been eliminated from the playoffs, as the Dallas Cowboys won their tenth game of the season that day (9 was the highest possible number of wins the Saints could have had if they won) and the Seahawks eventually won their tenth game to gain a wild card. The Saints would, however, finish their season on a high note the next week with a 13-7 home victory over the playoff bound Dallas Cowboys. For the Jaguars, the victory would lift them to a 5-10 record. They would go on to lose the next week, 21-14, to another NFC South team, the Atlanta Falcons. The River City Relay later went on to win the 2004 Best Play ESPY Award.
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