I like Herm's method better...

[kcbubb]

I would rather play with a bunch of young players and develop them than sign a bunch of old guys if we know that we are going to be bad. Most people seem to believe that the Chiefs are going to be lucky to win six games.

If that is the case, why not look for the next Brandon Carr, Mark Bradley or Mike Cox??? It's hard to find those guys if they don't get a chance to play.

Why are we wasting this valuable playing time on players like Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Mike Goff, and Bobby Engram??? I am sure that they will contribute and play well for the Chiefs at times.

If we were a team that were close to making a playoff run, I would welcome the addition of the older players, but the Chiefs are still developing their roster especially with the change to the 3-4.

If we are going to be bad, I would really rather see Brian Johnston play rather than Vrabel. And I would rather see Quinten Lawrence play rather than Engram.

Or are you one that believes that these older players provide valuable leadership???

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Every team has success stories of guys that are cast offs or undrafted that do well. Take for example, Priest Holmes. Undrafted by the Ravens in 97. He was a backup. The Chiefs signed him in 01 and he was 27. He was a cast off from the Ravens. The rest is history.

One way to make 100% sure you don't find the rare success stories like Priest Holmes is by signing players on their last legs.



I agree with this to an extent. I thought Vrabel was enough.



Donnie was overpaid and TG DEFINITELY WAS NOT OVERPAID. NO WAY!

So you'd rather run worthless scrubs out there just so you don't miss a diamond in the rough and then forego any benefit you may have gotten otherwise? You have to balance risk/reward. You just have to.

TG being overpaid is arguable. I'll give you that.
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[HC_Chief]

Herm's "method" netted us 6 wins in two seasons. That's batting .188. Not so great for MLB, shit for NFL.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Herm's "method" netted us 6 wins in two seasons. That's batting .188. Not so great for MLB, shit for NFL.

Is Herm the only person in the NFL that has chosen to put mostly young guys on the field instead of 33+ vets???

[HemiEd]

Why is this thread still going? Hasn't kcbubb sobered/healed up yet?

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Is Herm the only person in the NFL that has chosen to put mostly young guys on the field instead of 33+ vets???

The two youngest teams last season (KC & GB) were a combined 8-24.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Why is this thread still going? Hasn't kcbubb sobered/healed up yet?

No, he's permanently damaged/impaired.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I guess the sharp tools want to have several players that are 33+ on this team that will not be on this team when it has a real chance to be competitive.

Say what you want about how those old players will lead or teach or whatever but the fact is, they won't be here when we get to a superbowl. I would rather take the risk of trying a young guy or at a minimum signing a younger free agent that has a chance to help the team long term.

Veteran players have an impact on young players. Those young players will be around for a SB push in a few years.

The impact veterans have can be tremendous.

It's sad you can't see that.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Is Herm the only person in the NFL that has chosen to put mostly young guys on the field instead of 33+ vets???

You can put young guys on the field.

You just have to be a good enough coach to make them the right young guys.

I always felt bad for Squirmin' Herman, 'cause he seems like a nice guy, but I just don't think he's coach material.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Veteran players have an impact on young players. Those young players will be around for a SB push in a few years.

The impact veterans have can be tremendous.

It's sad you can't see that.

I see it, but I would rather sign a guy like Tinoisamoa (see below) than Zach Thomas. I think a guy like him can do both. He can have an impact on the younger guys and still be around in a few years if you want to resign him. Also see that the bears signed him to a one year deal. They didn't break the bank on this guy.


Bears agree to terms with Tinoisamoa, Rams' leading tackler in '08

Associated Press

LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Free-agent linebacker Pisa Tinoisamoa agreed to a one-year contract with the Chicago Bears on Friday after leading the St. Louis Rams in tackles four of the past six seasons.
Pisa Tinoisamoa, LB
Chicago Bears

2008 Statistics
G/GS: 16/16
Tackles: 104
Sacks: 3.0

The 6-foot-1, 240-pound Tinoisamoa led the Rams with 104 tackles (88 solo) before getting released by a new coaching staff seeking more size. In Chicago, he's reuniting with coach Lovie Smith, his defensive coordinator during the 2003 season in St. Louis.

Tinoisamoa will probably start at strongside linebacker alongside Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher, although incumbent Nick Roach and former starter Hunter Hillenmeyer are in the mix. A second-round pick by the Rams in 2003, he has 445 total tackles, 10 sacks, seven interceptions, 25 pass break-ups, six forced fumbles and three fumble recoveries in his career.

Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I see it, but I would rather sign a guy like Tinoisamoa (see below) than Zach Thomas. I think a guy like him can do both. He can have an impact on the younger guys and still be around in a few years if you want to resign him. Also see that the bears signed him to a one year deal. They didn't break the bank on this guy.


Bears agree to terms with Tinoisamoa, Rams' leading tackler in '08

Associated Press

LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Free-agent linebacker Pisa Tinoisamoa agreed to a one-year contract with the Chicago Bears on Friday after leading the St. Louis Rams in tackles four of the past six seasons.
Pisa Tinoisamoa, LB
Chicago Bears

2008 Statistics
G/GS: 16/16
Tackles: 104
Sacks: 3.0

The 6-foot-1, 240-pound Tinoisamoa led the Rams with 104 tackles (88 solo) before getting released by a new coaching staff seeking more size. In Chicago, he's reuniting with coach Lovie Smith, his defensive coordinator during the 2003 season in St. Louis.

Tinoisamoa will probably start at strongside linebacker alongside Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher, although incumbent Nick Roach and former starter Hunter Hillenmeyer are in the mix. A second-round pick by the Rams in 2003, he has 445 total tackles, 10 sacks, seven interceptions, 25 pass break-ups, six forced fumbles and three fumble recoveries in his career.

Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

Tinoisamoa was brought in by the Patriots and they decided to go with someone else. Tinoisamoa reportedly was playing last season at somewhere between 220-225. He was reportedly cut by the Rams because he was too light. You really just don't seem to understand football, so maybe instead of constantly whining about Pioli, you should be reading up on the sport.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Tinoisamoa was brought in by the Patriots and they decided to go with someone else. Tinoisamoa reportedly was playing last season at somewhere between 220-225. He was reportedly cut by the Rams because he was too light. You really just don't seem to understand football, so maybe instead of constantly whining about Pioli, you should be reading up on the sport.

It is also reported that....

The 6-foot-1, 240-pound Tinoisamoa led the Rams with 104 tackles (88 solo).

Why do you love Pioli so much???? Seriously.... Everytime I question anything he does, you get all in an uproar. What is the connection there? Oh and please give me the he's the GM you aren't qualified to question him crap again.

Give me one thing you disagree with that he has done. Prove that you aren't his secret admirer. Do his glasses do it for you?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

It is also reported that....

The 6-foot-1, 240-pound Tinoisamoa led the Rams with 104 tackles (88 solo).

Why do you love Pioli so much???? Seriously.... Everytime I question anything he does, you get all in an uproar. What is the connection there? Oh and please give me the he's the GM you aren't qualified to question him crap again.

Give me one thing you disagree with that he has done. Prove that you aren't his secret admirer. Do his glasses do it for you?

It has nothing to do with loving Pioli. It has to do with understanding football more than "YOUNG PLAYERS!" "YOUNG PLAYERS!". You don't seem to have any concept of what it takes to win in any major professional sport. From football to baseball to basketball to hockey, youth consistently gets beaten by experience.

As for things Pioli has done that I don't like, I assume you mean in the less-than-six-months of offseason since he's been in K.C. It's pretty unfair to judge what he's done given the amount of time and the extent of the train wreck he's dealing with. Since, unlike you, I actually like the idea of bringing in veteran players in their final years since I've seen it be successful year after year in New England, I don't view that as a problem. If you need something from me as a gripe, ask me again when the final roster is announced and all the waived/cut players from training camps around the league have been filtered through. Until then, crying about a #17 running back or the 4th backup safety isn't worth the time it takes to type it on the computer.

You, and far too many people following sports today, seem to think that you actually know what the hell you're talking about to the point where you'd be better at the job than the professionals hired. You're really pissing and moaning because you think you'd have done a better job.

This isn't Belichick going to the Patriots, finding a solid core group and drafting a Tom Brady. This is Pioli going to the Chiefs and finding just 1 moderately proven (one year, not yet repeated) 'core' player under the age of 30. Quit bitching, stop acting as if this train wreck could have been fixed if they'd just kept Herm/Herm's way and given it one more year, and realize that this team had, perhaps, the least talented roster in the NFL when Pioli arrived. Then, understand that it's going to take years to make this team truly and consistently competitive.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

It is also reported that....

The 6-foot-1, 240-pound Tinoisamoa led the Rams with 104 tackles (88 solo).

Why do you love Pioli so much???? Seriously.... Everytime I question anything he does, you get all in an uproar. What is the connection there? Oh and please give me the he's the GM you aren't qualified to question him crap again.

Give me one thing you disagree with that he has done. Prove that you aren't his secret admirer. Do his glasses do it for you?

Wasn't this the bastard that was hurt all the time? I remember a thread about a lamb with a ginormous name that was broken all the time.

This sounds to me like a Nap Harris type retread. He got PT in St Louis (obviously, since he lead the team in tackles). If he was good why is he on the street. If his leading the team in tackles is so wonderful, why did he get a 1 year deal?

This doesn't sound to me to be a Diamond in the Rough situation. This sounds like the dude doesn't have the goods. And it's not like St. Louis is stacked at LB, like Baltimore was when they let Preist go (IIRC).

I don't think there are too many people that are clamoring to have Nap Harris back.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You, and far too many people following sports today, seem to think that you actually know what the hell you're talking about to the point where you'd be better at the job than the professionals hired. You're really pissing and moaning because you think you'd have done a better job.

I knew you had a crush on Pioli, but I really didn't think it was this bad.

So it is ok to slam Carl and Herm even though they are supposed to be professionals. But not Pioli??? I don't think so. I'll criticize all of them on a message board if I feel like it.

That's the point of a message board... To express your opinion. If everyone never questioned management, there would be no Chiefs Planet. If you want that, go to kcchiefs.com.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Wasn't this the bastard that was hurt all the time? I remember a thread about a lamb with a ginormous name that was broken all the time.

This sounds to me like a Nap Harris type retread. He got PT in St Louis (obviously, since he lead the team in tackles). If he was good why is he on the street. If his leading the team in tackles is so wonderful, why did he get a 1 year deal?

This doesn't sound to me to be a Diamond in the Rough situation. This sounds like the dude doesn't have the goods. And it's not like St. Louis is stacked at LB, like Baltimore was when they let Preist go (IIRC).

I don't think there are too many people that are clamoring to have Nap Harris back.

He lead the Rams in tackles for 4 seasons and I know there defense sucked, but the guy is 27 and has some experience. They didn't sign him for a ton of money and they signed him on a one year contract. Tinoisamoa > Zach