I like Herm's method better...

[kcbubb]

I would rather play with a bunch of young players and develop them than sign a bunch of old guys if we know that we are going to be bad. Most people seem to believe that the Chiefs are going to be lucky to win six games.

If that is the case, why not look for the next Brandon Carr, Mark Bradley or Mike Cox??? It's hard to find those guys if they don't get a chance to play.

Why are we wasting this valuable playing time on players like Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Mike Goff, and Bobby Engram??? I am sure that they will contribute and play well for the Chiefs at times.

If we were a team that were close to making a playoff run, I would welcome the addition of the older players, but the Chiefs are still developing their roster especially with the change to the 3-4.

If we are going to be bad, I would really rather see Brian Johnston play rather than Vrabel. And I would rather see Quinten Lawrence play rather than Engram.

Or are you one that believes that these older players provide valuable leadership???

[BarrySPAMAID]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I vote to do it the Patriots way, its worked for them so it should work for us.


I like the younger players better & will root for them more, but Pioli knows best for this team and how to get us a Super Bowl Championship.

It's not the Patriot way. It's gonna be more like the Steeler Way. Clark still runs the show. Carry on.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by BarrysKOOLAID

It's not the Patriot way. It's gonna be more like the Steeler Way. Clark still runs the show. Carry on.

Five of the last eight Super Bowls. Either way is probably an improvement. As long as it's not the Raider Way or the Lion Way.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BarrysKOOLAID

It's not the Patriot way. It's gonna be more like the Steeler Way. Clark still runs the show. Carry on.

Wrong.

Clark owns the show, but you know ther is no way that Scott Pioli took the job without some assurance that he would be given free rein to run the show.

And to this point, early in his rein, it looks much like the Patriot Way.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by milkman

Wrong.

Clark owns the show, but you know ther is no way that Scott Pioli took the job without some assurance that he would be given free rein to run the show.

And to this point, early in his rein, it looks much like the Patriot Way.

Mmm...this.

[BarrySPAMAID]

Originally Posted by milkman

Wrong.

Clark owns the show, but you know ther is no way that Scott Pioli took the job without some assurance that he would be given free rein to run the show.

And to this point, early in his rein, it looks much like the Patriot Way.

Fair enough. I just remember Clark talking alot about how he admired the Steelers. If I'm an owner of a franchise, and I hire a new GM, I tell them what I want. He does have free rein, I agree.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by BarrysKOOLAID

Fair enough. I just remember Clark talking alot about how he admired the Steelers. If I'm an owner of a franchise, and I hire a new GM, I tell them what I want. He does have free rein, I agree.

Not me. If I'm an owner, I hire a mother****er that will win me a championship. That's what I want. If I think I know better, I just be the owner/GM ala Jerry Jones.

[BarrySPAMAID]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Not me. If I'm an owner, I hire a mother****er that will win me a championship. That's what I want. If I think I know better, I just be the owner/GM ala Jerry Jones.

Well, he did that in Pioli my brother. Clark hit a home run in getting Pioli.

And looking like the Steelers would be just fine and dandy with me.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Not me. If I'm an owner, I hire a mother****er that will win me a championship. That's what I want. If I think I know better, I just be the owner/GM ala Jerry Jones.

Maybe Jones will buy the Faihdahs when Al dies. We can only hope.

[The Bad Guy]

Honestly, KCBubb has proven he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who feels that the "Herm Edwards way" was the right direction for this team, needs to off themselves with pills immediately.

Just because we signed older players to small contracts means jack shit.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Honestly, KCBubb has proven he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who feels that the "Herm Edwards way" was the right direction for this team, needs to off themselves with pills immediately.

Just because we signed older players to small contracts means jack shit.

I guess the sharp tools want to have several players that are 33+ on this team that will not be on this team when it has a real chance to be competitive.

Say what you want about how those old players will lead or teach or whatever but the fact is, they won't be here when we get to a superbowl. I would rather take the risk of trying a young guy or at a minimum signing a younger free agent that has a chance to help the team long term.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

These vets are here basically to set examples and to help transition to a winning mindset.

How is Vrabel setting an example on how to transition to a winning mindset?

Brian Waters has been blasted on here repeatedly. The bottom line is Vrabel and Waters are both absent. Neither has shown up. Actions speak louder than words and they are saying the same thing.

I don't want to be here.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

That's something you never addressed, bubb, the difference in contracts between the Carl that we know is fail and the Pioli we hope is not fail. Posted via Mobile Device

You are correct that the long term consequences of these free agents is not as bad bc Pioli is not giving them a ton of $$$ on a long term deal, but the overall premise is the same. Sign an old vet to fill the void. Don't take a chance on developing a younger player.

This will obviously look much better if Pioli can draft to replace these guys.

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Realistically, though, everything in life is maximized through moderation. If young guys were the correct answer, NOBODY would ever get a second contract. It's just that simple.

I would venture a guess that every team that has won the Super Bowl has a FA vet playing a role. It's not the end of the world. These guys aren't being brought in as building blocks for a run, they are bodies. And rather than just have schmucks that will be cut at the earliest possible convenience, he's trying to get a little more out of them.

And again, **** HERM. The only youth movement he was ever on was in Tampa. Dungy was running the show, and I doubt that all veterans were cut loose. Herm is a ****ing toolbox. We should strive to NOT repeat any mistakes, including playing young POS's only because they are young.

**** HERM!
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My opinion is that when you sign several free agents, there age should line up somewhat with the progression of the team toward the team's goal, which is to win the superbowl. If you have a few holes or need some depth at a few spots, it is a great move to sign several old vets if needed to get you to the superbowl. The Patriots just did this and I think it was a great move.

If you are a 2-14 team and you are several years away from a superbowl, you should just have a few vets on the team and spend most of the valuable playing time on some young players with the goal of trying to develop a quality roster with at least some depth.

What I find funny is a lot of you guys argue for drafting a young QB and taking a chance, but when it comes to taking a chance on developing a younger player at another position that is not a high draft pick.... then no, you can't do that. sign the vet. Take the SAFE route.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

How is Vrabel setting an example on how to transition to a winning mindset?

1.) He's won Super Bowls.
2.) He's a vet.
3.) He can help implement the 3-4 defense.
4.) He can be a goal-line threat. (Even when teams know he's in the game, they still don't seem to guard him. All he does is catch touchdowns, LOL.)

Brian Waters has been blasted on here repeatedly. The bottom line is Vrabel and Waters are both absent. Neither has shown up. Actions speak louder than words and they are saying the same thing.

I don't want to be here.

I do agree that it would've made a better impression had he shown up recently. But maybe he had a verbal agreement with Pioli that he wouldn't have to show up for the involuntaries in May. If he's not there when August rolls around, that's different.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

You are correct that the long term consequences of these free agents is not as bad bc Pioli is not giving them a ton of $$$ on a long term deal, but the overall premise is the same. Sign an old vet to fill the void. Don't take a chance on developing a younger player.

This will obviously look much better if Pioli can draft to replace these guys.



My opinion is that when you sign several free agents, there age should line up somewhat with the progression of the team toward the team's goal, which is to win the superbowl. If you have a few holes or need some depth at a few spots, it is a great move to sign several old vets if needed to get you to the superbowl. The Patriots just did this and I think it was a great move.

If you are a 2-14 team and you are several years away from a superbowl, you should just have a few vets on the team and spend most of the valuable playing time on some young players with the goal of trying to develop a quality roster with at least some depth.

What I find funny is a lot of you guys argue for drafting a young QB and taking a chance, but when it comes to taking a chance on developing a younger player at another position that is not a high draft pick.... then no, you can't do that. sign the vet. Take the SAFE route.

Look. First point. The guys "valuable playing time" that they are taking are 99% going to be worthless POS scrubs that aren't going to be here when we make a run either. Look at a free agent list, there's not much there. We tried that shit with Herm. Pat Thomas, Rocky Boiman, and whoever the **** else we stuck in there are OFF THE TEAM and didn't contribute SHIT. If there's a shot those guys can do some mentoring before the wheels fall off then that is significantly better than what Thomas and Boiman did. Their contracts are set up to do that, not to be a burden long after they can't play.

Second point. There should be a balance of youth and age on any team. It used to be too old, Herm made it too young. The elders last year were TG, Waters, and Donnie. 2 of those guys are gone. All we've done is replace some older guys. This team didn't get "older" it just replaced some old guys.

As it is now, this team, agewise is NOT MUCH DIFFERENT than Herm's club. In fact, Donnie and TG were overpaid.
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[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Look. First point. The guys "valuable playing time" that they are taking are 99% going to be worthless POS scrubs that aren't going to be here when we make a run either. Look at a free agent list, there's not much there. We tried that shit with Herm. Pat Thomas, Rocky Boiman, and whoever the **** else we stuck in there are OFF THE TEAM and didn't contribute SHIT. If there's a shot those guys can do some mentoring before the wheels fall off then that is significantly better than what Thomas and Boiman did. Their contracts are set up to do that, not to be a burden long after they can't play.

Every team has success stories of guys that are cast offs or undrafted that do well. Take for example, Priest Holmes. Undrafted by the Ravens in 97. He was a backup. The Chiefs signed him in 01 and he was 27. He was a cast off from the Ravens. The rest is history.

One way to make 100% sure you don't find the rare success stories like Priest Holmes is by signing players on their last legs.

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Second point. There should be a balance of youth and age on any team. It used to be too old, Herm made it too young. The elders last year were TG, Waters, and Donnie. 2 of those guys are gone. All we've done is replace some older guys. This team didn't get "older" it just replaced some old guys.

I agree with this to an extent. I thought Vrabel was enough.

Originally Posted by Buehler445

As it is now, this team, agewise is NOT MUCH DIFFERENENT than Herm's club. In fact, Donnie and TG were overpaid.
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Donnie was overpaid and TG DEFINITELY WAS NOT OVERPAID. NO WAY!