Football Sanchez? - Page 47

Hootie · 10-18-2009, 04:45 PM

Man...sure glad we didn't draft him...he looks terrible.

carlos3652 · 10-18-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Sanchez threw a fit in the locker room. It was Intercepted.
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**DaneMcCloud** · 10-18-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie

It's not lies...if indeed he did say that the patriots knew what they had in Brady...it's a spin...a stretch

ChiefsCountry · 10-18-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

SB I: Bart Starr; 17th round
SB II: Bart Starr; 17th round
SBIII: Joe Namath; 1st round
SBIV: Len Dawson; 1st round
SBV: Johnny Unitas; 9th round
SBVI: Roger Staubach; 10th round
SBVII: Bob Greise; 1st round
SBVIII: Bob Greise; 1st round
SBIX: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBX: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBXI: Ken Stabler; 2nd round
SBXII: Roger Staubach; 10th round
SBXIII: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBXIV: Terry Bradshaw; 1st round
SBXV: Jim Plunkett; 1st round
SBXVI: Joe Montana; 3rd round
SBXVII: Joe Theismann; 4th round
XVIII: Jim Plunkett; 1st round
XIX: Joe Montana; 3rd round
XX: Jim McMahon; 1st round
XXI: Phil Simms; 1st round
XXII: Doug Williams; 1st round
XXIII: Joe Montana; 3rd round
XXIV: Joe Montana; 3rd round
XXV: Jeff Hostetler; 3rd round
XXVI: Mark Rypien; 6th round
XXVII: Troy Aikman; 1st round
XXVIII: Troy Aikman; 1st round
XXIX: Steve Young; 1st round
XXX: Troy Aikman; 1st round
XXXI: Brett Favre; 2nd round
XXXII: John Elway; 1st round
XXXIII: John Elway; 1st round
XXXIV: Kurt Warner; Undrafted
XXXV: Trent Dilfer; 1st round
XXXVI: Tom Brady; 6th round
XXXVII: Brad Johnson; 9th round
XXXVIII: Tom Brady; 6th round
XXXIX: Tom Brady; 6th round
XL: Ben Rothlisberger; 1st round
XLI: Peyton Manning; 1st round
XLII: Eli Manning; 1st round

So, in theory, no, no 7th round quarterback has won the Super Bowl. However, we've got a 17th rounder, a 10th rounder, a couple of 9th rounders, some 6th rounders, and even one that was completely undrafted.

I don't think that the round that a QB was picked is at all indicative of their capabilities, desire, maturity, etc., which elevates them to Super Bowl level.

Sure, you know that there are some good ones in round one. But there are also just as many that go complete busto. Maybe more actually.

So, basically, I think that you trying to say that just because Cassel was a 7th round pick and because of that singularly, he'll never win a Super Bowl is total bull.

Its 60/40 in favor of 1st round quarterbacks and Brady/Montana make up half of the 40 percent. So you have about a 20% at winning a Super Bowl with a non-first round pick. I'll play the better odds every time.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 10-19-2009, 12:01 AM

Ill Tell you what, Dane. Ill read the book. But Im sorry if I don't believe that after 1 year (2000), the patriots thought Brady showed enough for them to determine that he'd be starting by 2002

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-19-2009, 12:01 AM

Staubach would have been a 1st had he not had his Naval requirement.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-19-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Even the CasselhaterSanchezlovers can't deny Matty Spice does a good job of protecting the football.

2 picks in 6 games? Never in my wildest dreams did I see that coming to pass...

When you don't take chances and go for the Big Play, what else could be the possible outcome?

Seriously?

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 10-19-2009, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

No. The current discussion is over whether or not Tom Brady was considered to be a "career backup" before Bledsoe was traded.

before Bledsoe was hurt and entering the 2001 season, FWIW... By the time Bledsoe was traded Brady was considered a franchise QB

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 10-19-2009, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If you'd read the article I posted from Jay Glazer, you'd have your answer.

The "extension" was extremely Patriot-friendly, in the event they needed to, or wanted to trade him.

Drew Bledsoe was NEVER going to see anywhere near $103M.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2001/...vre010302.html

Same shit for Favre that same year... and it had nothing to do with Hasselbeck... that's just how they did it I guess.

Scenario: It's 2001. Drew Bledsoe has just signed a franchise QB contract similar to that of Brett Favre's deal. Going into Game 1 of 2001 you are asked who you think the patriots expect to be their starting QB on Game 1 of 2002. Do say A. Drew Bledsoe.... or.... B. Tom Brady who has shown LOTS of promise, but has 3 career attempts. If you selected A...then Dane is wrong.

The argument started after this quote by Dane: "They expected him to start by year three, IIRC." in a response to the mention of Brady being a 6th round pick in 2000.

Brady was supposed to be a career backup---like Cassel, others-- and got an opportunity to prove he was something more---like Cassel, others. The only difference was that Brady proved immediately he was a Franchise QB--making Bledsoe expendable--while Cassel only proved to have potential after achieving moderate success in 2008.

Ill say it again. Brady is tough to categorize...but it's not a huge stretch to say he was considered a career backup type by the Patriots in 2001 before he even attempted 4 career passes. After Bledsoe's injury is an entirely different story....but I don't think he was considered QBOTF before ever starting...which I believe is what Dane was arguing.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-19-2009, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

When you don't take chances and go for the Big Play, what else could be the possible outcome?

Seriously?

You are such a tool. Matt Cassel has rarely had a lead, has a suspect defense (although it has it's good moments), a porous offensive line, and very little running game.

To dismiss his success protecting the ball shows that either you know nothing..... or your position in this argument does not allow you to be honest.

Stinger · 10-19-2009, 06:18 AM

Wow and to think many on this thread would not give a Rookie last year and this year on the Defensive side of the ball for the Chiefs any leeway.

On a side note I would say this was a growing pain game for Sanchez. More importantly than this game is how he bounces back after this game, I think that will be more of a test to how he will progress and how he will be perceived. Not to mention how the Jets will or will not put a leash on him.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-19-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

Wow and to think many on this thread would not give a Rookie last year and this year on the Defensive side of the ball for the Chiefs any leeway.

On a side note I would say this was a growing pain game for Sanchez. More importantly than this game is how he bounces back after this game, I think that will be more of a test to how he will progress and how he will be perceived. Not to mention how the Jets will or will not put a leash on him.

Who in this thread would you say is guilty of the above?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-19-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

You are such a tool. Matt Cassel has rarely had a lead, has a suspect defense (although it has it's good moments), a porous offensive line, and very little running game.

To dismiss his success protecting the ball shows that either you know nothing..... or your position in this argument does not allow you to be honest.

Thank you for going full-circle in your first sentence right back to my original point.

Good day to you sir; I SAID GOOD DAY!

Chiefnj2 · 10-19-2009, 10:17 AM

Five interceptions and a QB rating in the single digits? That sucks.
Signed, Jamarcus Russel.

Even I never had a day that bad.
- Ryan Leaf.

DaWolf · 10-19-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

When you don't take chances and go for the Big Play, what else could be the possible outcome?

Seriously?

Uhh, taking chances and going for big plays would only lead to a sack for this offense. Actually getting big plays down the field requires pass catchers who can get separation downfield and linemen who can hold blocks for more than 1 second...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-19-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Uhh, taking chances and going for big plays would only lead to a sack for this offense. Actually getting big plays down the field requires pass catchers who can get separation downfield and linemen who can hold blocks for more than 1 second...

Uh, there's plenty of sacking going on as-is. Meh.

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Stinger Bazinga Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $1984507	Wow and to think many on this thread would not give a Rookie last year and this year on the Defensive side of the ball for the Chiefs any leeway. On a side note I would say this was a growing pain game for Sanchez. More importantly than this game is how he bounces back after this game, I think that will be more of a test to how he will progress and how he will be perceived. Not to mention how the Jets will or will not put a leash on him. __________________
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