Chiefs @people that think Sanchez would be a better fit - Page 7

jaa1025 · 09-27-2009, 11:31 PM

Are you freaking stupid? Serious question. Sanchez would be 0-3 and probably look worse behind this oline.Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Manning would be 0-3. There is NO time to throw. Every time Cassell dropped back he 3-4 defenders in his face.

When Vermiel was here we had a great oline...one of the best in the league. 2 HoFers helped pave the way for Priest, LJ and company. They gave time to an above average QB (Trent Green) and below average receivers to field the best offense in the league. You all freaking witnessed it...so how did you become so dumb and forget that the Oline makes the offense, just like the Dline (pass rush) makes the defense?

Fix the Oline-Matt has time to actually look further than 3-5 yards down the field. Becomes a star player (Trent was as a average-above average QB) and the RB's rush for 1700+ yards.

Fix the Dline(time and coaching)/OLBs(new players)--Our defense actually looks like Philly's Defense. I'd probably take our dbacks over theres and many other teams starters but they look like crap because NO ONE CAN COVER for 5-8 seconds play after play...not even Deon Sanders in his prime.

So stop with the Sanchez posts. Stop with the Tebow posts (which really makes you look incredibly stupid) and realize that our offense will continue to suck until the Oline is FIXED. It's going to be a VERY long season.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I agree with you on that. But again, based on Cassel's experience in New England, why are people so convinced he doesn't have an "it" factor of his own? He's a smart QB, a workout/film room freak, and players seem to really respond well to him. And he did very well in the final, very important stretch in the second half of the season with the Pats.

I really like Sanchez and I think the Chiefs could have gotten a good QB out of him. I always liked his upside better than Cassel. I wouldn't mind having taken Sanchez over Cassel. What I don't understand is when some people make Cassel out to be some loser QB with zero upside and that the franchise made some monumental ****-up for not taking him.

If Cassel ends up being a very good QB, nobody's going to talk about the trade, just as nobody talks about the Giants "****ing up" by taking Eli instead of Ben Roethlisberger.

Mainly because Eli has always shown something he led a game winning drive against the Broncos in his rookie year...think about this I believe Eli and Cassel are roughly the same age...that's a problem. We're wanting Cassel to become something guys that age already are.

Also a big red flag to me is a guy like Cassel if he had it as the favorite going in to be the SC QB..he should have beaten out Leinart but he didn't.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-28-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If Cassel ends up being a very good QB, nobody's going to talk about the trade, just as nobody talks about the Giants "****ing up" by taking Eli instead of Ben Roethlisberger.

Now that is true.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-28-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So basically as an outsider you agree with me, so why do a good portion of the people call me a dumbass for my take on this?

I don't disagree with you that Sanchez is probably the better QB and probably will be.

I'm just getting pissed off at how much people will exaggerate their points to suggest that Cassel isn't going to amount to anything, many going as far as to suggest that Cassel's mistakes in Oakland damn his entire future with the Chiefs.

It's ridiculous to root against your existing QB just because you didn't get the guy you wanted. Not saying you're doing that. But there are plenty that are.

Psyko Tek · 09-28-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Bullshit, if Sanchez becomes a franchise caliber QB people will always say we ****ed it up. Nothing is worth a franchise QB not even a 3-4 end.

And it has nothing to with Cassel or me hating him, it's how I view what Sanchez will be.

jebus ****ing christ
if we had drafted him
he would have gotten killed or ruined behind this oline

nobody buy nobody is a good QB inna body cast

QB"S don't matter at our level we suck that hard
we need a line

WildTurkey · 09-28-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Same reason the homers on the Mane get all upset with me. Because they are homers.

shit Donkey fans know the importance of having a franchise QB so they probably understand it a little better since we have not had one since Len Dawson

kcpasco · 09-28-2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey

shit Donkey fans know the importance of having a franchise QB so they probably understand it a little better since we have not had one since Len Dawson

You mean the one they traded?

BWillie · 09-28-2009, 12:58 AM

What in the hell are people hanging shit on Cassel? It boggles my mind. This team sucks. Flat out sucks. If we had any other quarterback in the league, we would still suck. Cassel has not shown he is a problem thus far. He made a boneheaded play at the end of the second half against Oakland, but all players do something stupid at times.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 12:59 AM

I'm not rooking against Cassel I try to be objective. But at the same time I also won't change my view on a player because he puts on the Arrowhead I always remain objective.

If you remember I didn't wanna trade for Cassel, so can't be like oh I love Cassel when I didn't when he wasn't on our team.

He'll either prove himself or he won't.

It just to me feels like the same shit over and over, we can't possibly draft a QB we have to trade for some other league dynasty teams backup. It use to be the 49ers now it's the Pats.

WildTurkey · 09-28-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

You mean the one they traded?

thats included yes

listopencil · 09-28-2009, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey

shit Donkey fans know the importance of having a franchise QB so they probably understand it a little better since we have not had one since Len Dawson

Meh, have you forgotten the Griese and Plummer years? The last time we were one of the top teams in the AFC was with Plummer, though. I don't know-I'm starting to like Orton. He's making good decisions and his arm isn't as bad as I thought it was. He's like a Griese/Plummer hybrid.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-28-2009, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't disagree with you that Sanchez is probably the better QB and probably will be.

I'm just getting pissed off at how much people will exaggerate their points to suggest that Cassel isn't going to amount to anything, many going as far as to suggest that Cassel's mistakes in Oakland damn his entire future with the Chiefs.

It's ridiculous to root against your existing QB just because you didn't get the guy you wanted. Not saying you're doing that. But there are plenty that are.

What I don't get, is that with the rest of the offense being so suspect, WHY do you go for a system QB when you CLEARLY don't have the ****ing supporting cast that you need to make it work?

With either of the rooks as drafted, you get a bigger pass from the fans because people can see the upside, and they know the rest is yet to be built.

This whole thing is weird.

WildTurkey · 09-28-2009, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

What in the hell are people hanging shit on Cassel? It boggles my mind. This team sucks. Flat out sucks. If we had any other quarterback in the league, we would still suck. Cassel is not necessarily a problem thus far.

I like Cassel and I hope he turns out to be everything we want... but as a lifelong Chiefs fan it always seems like the move we didn't make usually is the right one... so I'm just pessimistic i guess

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 01:02 AM

If you think any QB would get killed here, we coulda sat Sanchez for a year at 22 you can do that, you can't sit Cassel though he's 27. Hell we coulda signed Garcia or Kitna to start for a year till you felt Sanchez or the team was ready for it.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-28-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

What I don't get, is that with the rest of the offense being so suspect, WHY do you go for a system QB when you CLEARLY don't have the ****ing supporting cast that you need to make it work?

With either of the rooks as drafted, you get a bigger pass from the fans because people can see the upside, and they know the rest is yet to be built.

This whole thing is weird.

How is Cassel a system QB?

The only QB who could thrive in the Chiefs' system right now are running QBs like Vick.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey

I like Cassel and I hope he turns out to be everything we want... but as a lifelong Chiefs fan it always seems like the move we didn't make usually is the right one... so I'm just pessimistic i guess

It eerily reminded me of Elvis Grbac.

09-27-2009, 11:31 PM
jaa1025 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10000898	@people that think Sanchez would be a better fit Are you freaking stupid? Serious question. Sanchez would be 0-3 and probably look worse behind this oline.Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Manning would be 0-3. There is NO time to throw. Every time Cassell dropped back he 3-4 defenders in his face. When Vermiel was here we had a great oline...one of the best in the league. 2 HoFers helped pave the way for Priest, LJ and company. They gave time to an above average QB (Trent Green) and below average receivers to field the best offense in the league. You all freaking witnessed it...so how did you become so dumb and forget that the Oline makes the offense, just like the Dline (pass rush) makes the defense? Fix the Oline-Matt has time to actually look further than 3-5 yards down the field. Becomes a star player (Trent was as a average-above average QB) and the RB's rush for 1700+ yards. Fix the Dline(time and coaching)/OLBs(new players)--Our defense actually looks like Philly's Defense. I'd probably take our dbacks over theres and many other teams starters but they look like crap because NO ONE CAN COVER for 5-8 seconds play after play...not even Deon Sanders in his prime. So stop with the Sanchez posts. Stop with the Tebow posts (which really makes you look incredibly stupid) and realize that our offense will continue to suck until the Oline is FIXED. It's going to be a VERY long season.
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09-28-2009, 12:58 AM	#97
BWillie Are you ready to Rumble? Join Date: Apr 2006 Casino cash: $-1448759	What in the hell are people hanging shit on Cassel? It boggles my mind. This team sucks. Flat out sucks. If we had any other quarterback in the league, we would still suck. Cassel has not shown he is a problem thus far. He made a boneheaded play at the end of the second half against Oakland, but all players do something stupid at times.
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09-28-2009, 12:59 AM	#98
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-692950	I'm not rooking against Cassel I try to be objective. But at the same time I also won't change my view on a player because he puts on the Arrowhead I always remain objective. If you remember I didn't wanna trade for Cassel, so can't be like oh I love Cassel when I didn't when he wasn't on our team. He'll either prove himself or he won't. It just to me feels like the same shit over and over, we can't possibly draft a QB we have to trade for some other league dynasty teams backup. It use to be the 49ers now it's the Pats.
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09-28-2009, 01:02 AM	#103
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-692950	If you think any QB would get killed here, we coulda sat Sanchez for a year at 22 you can do that, you can't sit Cassel though he's 27. Hell we coulda signed Garcia or Kitna to start for a year till you felt Sanchez or the team was ready for it.
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