Chiefs Do You Suffer from TFS? True Fan Syndrome? If So, We Can Help - Page 11

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10:48 PM

Do you lie awake at nights dreaming of 8-8, or 9-7?

Do you judge a season as a success by a Wild Card birth?

Do you believe that defenses and running games are more important than franchise QBs?

Do you hate wide receivers?

Do you love coaches with a complete inability to spot talent at the running back position?

Do you think that 3-13 is better for the long term future of the franchise than 2-14?

Do you think the 2002 Bucs and 2000 Ravens are model NFL teams to aspire to?

Do you find playoff records to be irrelevant?

Do you believe that guards and right tackles should be taken with top five picks?

Do you believe that a quarterback is best served as a game manager?

Do you believe that every 3rd Down play should either be a screen or a draw?

Do you believe kicker is the most important position on the offense?

Do you believe that all of the best prospects reside in the Big XII?

Do you believe in trading down in any situation during the draft?

Do you believe that a team is better served picking 20 rather than 5 because they don't have to pay the player as much?

Do you believe that the only way to be a winning team is to throw money at the most expensive Free Agents every year, regardless of need?

Do you judge QBOTF by their box scores?

Do you think that risk is scary, and therefore, wish to draft last in every round to avoid the perception of failure?

Do you think that Marty and Bill Cowher are the only two coaches left on the planet?

Do you think that Gunther was once a great coordinator?

Do you think that reaction is safer than action?

Do you think every other team that actually drafted a QBOTF just 'got lucky' and that it could never happen to us?

Is your name [alias of claythan and hootie]?

Do you prefer tailgating to Championships?

Do you fear the unknown?

Do you believe that 'being close in the 4th quarter' is the objective of an offense?

Do you believe that the run sets up the pass?

Do you believe that Stafford "has done nothing worth mentioning" in college?

Do you think QBs don't need to know how to play from under the center, and that learning 5 and 7 step drops is irrelevant because once Thigpen completed a 7 yard pass to a hall of fame tight end in quadruple coverage?

If so, you may suffer from TFS, True Fan Syndrome. Here at the ChiefsPlanet Clinic, our staff of experts can help rid you of this debilitating malady. Through study of game tape of such contests as Super Bowl XXIII we can help ameliorate the effects of play not to lose football.

Upon registering at our world-renowned clinic, you will be given the following ID badge:

After six weeks of therapy, our cure rate for TFS approaches 91%, which ironically, is slightly better than Herm Edwards' losing percentage the last 23 games.

If you or a loved one suffers from TFS, please, contact us immediately.

We're here to help.

Sincerely,

The ChiefsPlanet Clinic

Agent V · 12-18-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bowener

I haven't been feeling good lately.

I fear I may have contracted something from my close contact to many of the planeteers.

As long as you don't have a sudden urge to cradle Gunther or Marty's testicles, I'd say we have a good chance of obliterating it with some 90's playoff highlight film therapy. It's painful, but worth it.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-18-2008, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Elway wasnt a looker either.

or Bradshaw

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-18-2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Agree 100%.

The question for some people is: Is Stafford worth that risk?

To some he is - to others, he isn't.

Where things get lost in translation is when the Stafford-ites try to claim you're not willing to take the risk just because you don't like their guy.

I don't know if it's lost in translation. I think it's pretty clear from the post of someone like Baby Lee that he's too afraid of the Ryan Leafs to potentially grab a John Elway, as he finds the '07 Jags to be a model franchise, despite the fact that they were promptly piss pounded out of the playoffs by a team that had a....franchise QB, and blew an 18 point lead to another team that had one.

Quarterback carries the most risk because it's the most valuable. Risk aversion only prohibits you from potentially securing the most valuable position on the team, and that is a losing proposition.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-18-2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm with you 100%.

My point is that it's disingenuous to say that damn near every franchise QB has made the SB, when it's not even remotely close to being true.

But a much higher % of teams have won SBs, and have been competitive year in, year out, with a franchise QB.

philfree · 12-18-2008, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Let's try to define "Franchise QB" in the draft.

He's guy with talent.
Reasonbly strong arm, reasonable accuracy, has shown an ability to make plays when there aren't any to be made, has a good head on his shoulders and a leader.

What you are actually trying to define is potential.

No one can look at a QB and say he's a franchise QB.

We can only say that he has the potential.

What makes a Franchise QB for that matter?

PhilFree

RustShack · 12-18-2008, 02:06 AM

Give him the power!

**Saulbadguy** · 12-18-2008, 07:53 AM

We could not have success because we had Trent Green as our QB. Repeat that to yourself 5 times and tell yourself you are right.

Tiger's Fan · 12-18-2008, 08:43 AM

I'm not really into these childish games, but I'll play in this instance. What will the fanboys do if Stafford isn't there in the first? Shit yourselves? Want to take Bradford, or a POS like Sanchez? Will the draft be a failure if we don't take a QB in the first? I'm all for taking a first round QB, just not for the sake of taking one only because it's the first round. If ever there was a bust proof QB on the board, I just don't see that in a very inconsistent Stafford.

WilliamTheIrish · 12-18-2008, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Bar none, that is the greatest emoticon in the history of the internet.

WilliamTheIrish · 12-18-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

Do you enjoy watching your team lose?

If the answer is yes than you might be a reerun.

Like a moth to a flame....four posts in. Instead of True fan Syndrome, I'd diagnose you as Down's Fan Syndrome.

**Baby Lee** · 12-18-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't know if it's lost in translation. I think it's pretty clear from the post of someone like Baby Lee that he's too afraid of the Ryan Leafs to potentially grab a John Elway, as he finds the '07 Jags to be a model franchise, despite the fact that they were promptly piss pounded out of the playoffs by a team that had a....franchise QB, and blew an 18 point lead to another team that had one.

Quarterback carries the most risk because it's the most valuable. Risk aversion only prohibits you from potentially securing the most valuable position on the team, and that is a losing proposition.

It's not the straight up 'if the QB's there, do you take him' question, it's this let everything fall apart, don't worry about the rest of the team, tear everything to shreds and lose out because a top QB will fix everything.
First off, an elite QB is a gamble, but that's not the point. It's a point, but not THE point.
Even when the gamble pays off, an elite QB still needs a good team around him. As many franchise QBs went bust because the rest of the team sucked [see, Carr] as the ones who did because the QB was a plain bust.
Even the best of them [Elway, Manning] toiled in desperation until all the pieces were in place.
An elite QB can be the key to ultimate success, but none of them are worth shit until a complete team, with a running game, O-line, and Defense to free them up to work their magic.
You can say, get the QB, then build the team, but that runs the risk of the QB being irreparably broken before the team is even assembled [Carr, Leaf, Croyle, Palmer, George, etc.].

**DeezNutz** · 12-18-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You can say, get the QB, then build the team, but that runs the risk of the QB being irreparably broken before the team is even assembled [Carr, Leaf, Croyle, Palmer, George, etc.].

That's not a very strong list to make your case.

1. George was a headcase. The talent around him had nothing to do with his failings. When he wanted to put forth the effort, he was a VERY good QB.
2. I'd be happy to take Palmer from the Beagles. Right now. In fact, I'll throw in Herm as a "trade."
3. The rest of those guys were frauds. Sometimes there are busts.
4. You just didn't list ****ing Croyle, did you? No, couldn't have been. That ****er's name should NEVER EVER come up in a discussion of franchise QB's.

No one is saying seek a QB and ignore the rest of the team. This would be as stupid as not trying everything to get the QB in the first place.

**Baby Lee** · 12-18-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

That's not a very strong list to make your case.

1. George was a headcase. The talent around him had nothing to do with his failings. When he wanted to put forth the effort, he was a VERY good QB.
2. I'd be happy to take Palmer from the Beagles. Right now. In fact, I'll throw in Herm as a "trade."
3. The rest of those guys were frauds. Sometimes there are busts.
4. You just didn't list ****ing Croyle, did you? No, couldn't have been. That ****er's name should NEVER EVER come up in a discussion of franchise QB's.

No one is saying seek a QB and ignore the rest of the team. This would be as stupid as not trying everything to get the QB in the first place.

I'm not saying Croyle was or wasn't, or was or wasn't going to be, elite, he's a recent and close example of a guy who was broken before we found out shit.

And yes, there are a number of people who don't give a shit about the rest of the team, whether they win, whether they learn how to win, whether they stick around, whether they're all completely replaced, so long as we lose every game and get whomever is the top prospect at QB.

**DeezNutz** · 12-18-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I'm not saying Croyle was or wasn't, or was or wasn't going to be, elite, he's a recent and close example of a guy who was broken before we found out shit.

And yes, there are a number of people who don't give a shit about the rest of the team, whether they win, whether they learn how to win, whether they stick around, whether they're all completely replaced, so long as we lose every game and get whomever is the top prospect at QB.

Croyle was broken before he was ever drafted by the Chiefs, so we were never going to learn anything else. This wasn't the supporting cast's fault.

Those people want us to lose to have a crack at a top QB. You're talking about something completely different. If we draft a QB with the #2 overall pick, I can't imagine there will be a dumbass in all of Chiefs fandom NOT wanting to give this player every possible resource so that he can be successful.

**Baby Lee** · 12-18-2008, 09:28 AM

I should also add, that the continued existence of Dick Curl weighs heavily in my calculus at this point in time.

12-17-2008, 04:09 PM
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