Chiefs Do You Suffer from TFS? True Fan Syndrome? If So, We Can Help - Page 18

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10:48 PM

Do you lie awake at nights dreaming of 8-8, or 9-7?

Do you judge a season as a success by a Wild Card birth?

Do you believe that defenses and running games are more important than franchise QBs?

Do you hate wide receivers?

Do you love coaches with a complete inability to spot talent at the running back position?

Do you think that 3-13 is better for the long term future of the franchise than 2-14?

Do you think the 2002 Bucs and 2000 Ravens are model NFL teams to aspire to?

Do you find playoff records to be irrelevant?

Do you believe that guards and right tackles should be taken with top five picks?

Do you believe that a quarterback is best served as a game manager?

Do you believe that every 3rd Down play should either be a screen or a draw?

Do you believe kicker is the most important position on the offense?

Do you believe that all of the best prospects reside in the Big XII?

Do you believe in trading down in any situation during the draft?

Do you believe that a team is better served picking 20 rather than 5 because they don't have to pay the player as much?

Do you believe that the only way to be a winning team is to throw money at the most expensive Free Agents every year, regardless of need?

Do you judge QBOTF by their box scores?

Do you think that risk is scary, and therefore, wish to draft last in every round to avoid the perception of failure?

Do you think that Marty and Bill Cowher are the only two coaches left on the planet?

Do you think that Gunther was once a great coordinator?

Do you think that reaction is safer than action?

Do you think every other team that actually drafted a QBOTF just 'got lucky' and that it could never happen to us?

Is your name [alias of claythan and hootie]?

Do you prefer tailgating to Championships?

Do you fear the unknown?

Do you believe that 'being close in the 4th quarter' is the objective of an offense?

Do you believe that the run sets up the pass?

Do you believe that Stafford "has done nothing worth mentioning" in college?

Do you think QBs don't need to know how to play from under the center, and that learning 5 and 7 step drops is irrelevant because once Thigpen completed a 7 yard pass to a hall of fame tight end in quadruple coverage?

If so, you may suffer from TFS, True Fan Syndrome. Here at the ChiefsPlanet Clinic, our staff of experts can help rid you of this debilitating malady. Through study of game tape of such contests as Super Bowl XXIII we can help ameliorate the effects of play not to lose football.

Upon registering at our world-renowned clinic, you will be given the following ID badge:

After six weeks of therapy, our cure rate for TFS approaches 91%, which ironically, is slightly better than Herm Edwards' losing percentage the last 23 games.

If you or a loved one suffers from TFS, please, contact us immediately.

We're here to help.

Sincerely,

The ChiefsPlanet Clinic

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-19-2008, 07:54 PM

You know, Hamas, you could have saved all that typing by just presenting the concise and condensed version.

Which IS:

"Do You Want Matt Stafford As The Chiefs QBOTF"?

See, there it is! Not so hard, yes?

**banyon** · 12-19-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

They lost a shitload of talent from 92-93. To say that it was all just Emmitt Smith is a farce.

Jimmy Johnson even said to Trumpy before the Super Bowl "Last year we had a Royal Flush, this year we have a Full House."

I agree with you on this. I just wanted to differentiate Alabam RB's there.

Hey and Aikman was almost just as good as Young and Marino on Super Tecmo II.

I'm not sure it's really even a comparable scenario, as the Cowboys had to get past the other Dynasty-funded team of the 49ers. It's not like you could win with just good players at some positions, you had to be solid all over the place to win it all. You couldn't even get those teams anywhere near the field with the current cap structure.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-19-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That's just a game manager folks, uh huh.

Man, he DID throw one beautiful spiral.

RippedmyFlesh · 12-19-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Man, he DID throw one beautiful spiral.

On another forum they were talking about qb heights.
Aikman was bigger than elway.
Those little impish zone blockers made elway look bigger and cowboys huge(at the time) made aikman look smaller.
Off the top of my head I would have never guessed it.

RippedmyFlesh · 12-19-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'd love to know why some still devalue the most important position on the field.

There is hope with clark last year saying developing a qb was a priority.
At least Clark thinks its important so there is reason to hope.

Mecca · 12-20-2008, 05:37 AM

So what I've learned is a HOFer and one of the best QB's of his era is a "game manager" if you told me any QB would be as good as Aikman was I'd say trade the entire trade for him.

**the Talking Can** · 12-20-2008, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So what I've learned is a HOFer and one of the best QB's of his era is a "game manager" if you told me any QB would be as good as Aikman was I'd say trade the entire trade for him.

i can't even believe what i'm reading in this thread

Aikman was just a "game manager?"

wtf??????

Mecca · 12-20-2008, 06:27 AM

That should have said draft...damn late typos, trade the entire draft for him.

It's because Aikman didn't throw for 50 TD's or 4500 yards or some other pretty fantasy stats. He could have had them but they didn't play that way....

**Baby Lee** · 12-20-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i can't even believe what i'm reading in this thread

Aikman was just a "game manager?"

wtf??????

You guys are the ones putting 'just' before the operant term. You guys are the ones who say that the shittiest game managers are the 'quintessential' game managers.
He was a vital part of a good team across the board, and because they were a good team across the board, they didn't go through games, let alone eras where people were saying 'geez, if they didn't have Aikman, they'd suck balls.' He didn't make mistakes, he read the game and orchestrated it, he provided a leadership foundation, but he didn't carry the team on his shoulders. THAT'S what we mean by game manager, not some guy who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when the chips are down.
Certainly, when the team sucked early on, he sucked right along with them. But who knows, maybe he could 'carry' a team, but Jimmy Johnson was smart enough to build a team that was strong everywhere and that wasn't necessary

FringeNC · 12-20-2008, 10:35 AM

Aikman to me is the boderline case between game manager / HOF-type quarterback. Those that want to claim you don't have to have a HOF-type quarterback to have a dynasty SHOULD use the 1992-1995 Cowboys because it is the ONLY possible example. One thing about those teams -- put a 2002-2005 Trent Green on those teams instead of Aikman. I say they are just as good.

**the Talking Can** · 12-20-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Aikman to me is the boderline case between game manager / HOF-type quarterback. Those that want to claim you don't have to have a HOF-type quarterback to have a dynasty SHOULD use the 1992-1995 Cowboys because it is the ONLY possible example. One thing about those teams -- put a 2002-2005 Trent Green on those teams instead of Aikman. I say they are just as good.

i'm sorry, but Kerry Collins with the Titans is a game manager...Steve Bono was a game manager....

calling Troy Aikman a game manager is well...you fill in the blank...

this fanbase is so desperate to define down the QB position...you know, if there isn't any difference between Kerry Collins and Troy Aikman then we don't need to draft a QB! we can just sign another vet!!

**the Talking Can** · 12-20-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You guys are the ones putting 'just' before the operant term. You guys are the ones who say that the shittiest game managers are the 'quintessential' game managers.
He was a vital part of a good team across the board, and because they were a good team across the board, they didn't go through games, let alone eras where people were saying 'geez, if they didn't have Aikman, they'd suck balls.' He didn't make mistakes, he read the game and orchestrated it, he provided a leadership foundation, but he didn't carry the team on his shoulders. THAT'S what we mean by game manager, not some guy who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when the chips are down.
Certainly, when the team sucked early on, he sucked right along with them. But who knows, maybe he could 'carry' a team, but Jimmy Johnson was smart enough to build a team that was strong everywhere and that wasn't necessary

sorry, there is no polite way for me to say this....you are freaking clueless

FringeNC · 12-20-2008, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i'm sorry, but Kerry Collins with the Titans is a game manager...Steve Bono was a game manager....

calling Troy Aikman a game manager is well...you fill in the blank...

this fanbase is so desperate to define down the QB position...you know, if there isn't any difference between Kerry Collins and Troy Aikman then we don't need to draft a QB! we can just sign another vet!!

There is certainly no doubt that Aikman is better than Collins/Dilfer, but I don't think he is as good as the other dynasty QBs.

**Baby Lee** · 12-20-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

sorry, there is no polite way for me to say this....you are freaking clueless

You are the one who feels the need to handicap your visualization of a concept by pretending those who suck at it are doing it the best.

Collins and Bono are SHITTY game managers, Aikman and Simms are EXCELLENT game managers.

It's like saying "don't call Michael Jordan a shooting guard, shooting guards are POSs like Jamal Crawford.'

**the Talking Can** · 12-20-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

There is certainly no doubt that Aikman is better than Collins/Dilfer, but I don't think he is as good as the other dynasty QBs.

which is a separate issue

the guy was a franchise QB

12-17-2008, 04:09 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Do You Suffer from TFS? True Fan Syndrome? If So, We Can Help Do you lie awake at nights dreaming of 8-8, or 9-7? Do you judge a season as a success by a Wild Card birth? Do you believe that defenses and running games are more important than franchise QBs? Do you hate wide receivers? Do you love coaches with a complete inability to spot talent at the running back position? Do you think that 3-13 is better for the long term future of the franchise than 2-14? Do you think the 2002 Bucs and 2000 Ravens are model NFL teams to aspire to? Do you find playoff records to be irrelevant? Do you believe that guards and right tackles should be taken with top five picks? Do you believe that a quarterback is best served as a game manager? Do you believe that every 3rd Down play should either be a screen or a draw? Do you believe kicker is the most important position on the offense? Do you believe that all of the best prospects reside in the Big XII? Do you believe in trading down in any situation during the draft? Do you believe that a team is better served picking 20 rather than 5 because they don't have to pay the player as much? Do you believe that the only way to be a winning team is to throw money at the most expensive Free Agents every year, regardless of need? Do you judge QBOTF by their box scores? Do you think that risk is scary, and therefore, wish to draft last in every round to avoid the perception of failure? Do you think that Marty and Bill Cowher are the only two coaches left on the planet? Do you think that Gunther was once a great coordinator? Do you think that reaction is safer than action? Do you think every other team that actually drafted a QBOTF just 'got lucky' and that it could never happen to us? Is your name [alias of claythan and hootie]? Do you prefer tailgating to Championships? Do you fear the unknown? Do you believe that 'being close in the 4th quarter' is the objective of an offense? Do you believe that the run sets up the pass? Do you believe that Stafford "has done nothing worth mentioning" in college? Do you think QBs don't need to know how to play from under the center, and that learning 5 and 7 step drops is irrelevant because once Thigpen completed a 7 yard pass to a hall of fame tight end in quadruple coverage? If so, you may suffer from TFS, True Fan Syndrome. Here at the ChiefsPlanet Clinic, our staff of experts can help rid you of this debilitating malady. Through study of game tape of such contests as Super Bowl XXIII we can help ameliorate the effects of play not to lose football. Upon registering at our world-renowned clinic, you will be given the following ID badge: After six weeks of therapy, our cure rate for TFS approaches 91%, which ironically, is slightly better than Herm Edwards' losing percentage the last 23 games. If you or a loved one suffers from TFS, please, contact us immediately. We're here to help. Sincerely, The ChiefsPlanet Clinic Last edited by 'Hamas' Jenkins; 02-15-2010 at 10:48 PM..
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12-20-2008, 05:37 AM	#261
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	So what I've learned is a HOFer and one of the best QB's of his era is a "game manager" if you told me any QB would be as good as Aikman was I'd say trade the entire trade for him.
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12-20-2008, 06:27 AM	#263
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	That should have said draft...damn late typos, trade the entire draft for him. It's because Aikman didn't throw for 50 TD's or 4500 yards or some other pretty fantasy stats. He could have had them but they didn't play that way....
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12-20-2008, 10:35 AM	#265
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1823986	Aikman to me is the boderline case between game manager / HOF-type quarterback. Those that want to claim you don't have to have a HOF-type quarterback to have a dynasty SHOULD use the 1992-1995 Cowboys because it is the ONLY possible example. One thing about those teams -- put a 2002-2005 Trent Green on those teams instead of Aikman. I say they are just as good.
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