Do You Suffer from TFS? True Fan Syndrome? If So, We Can Help

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Do you lie awake at nights dreaming of 8-8, or 9-7?

Do you judge a season as a success by a Wild Card birth?

Do you believe that defenses and running games are more important than franchise QBs?

Do you hate wide receivers?

Do you love coaches with a complete inability to spot talent at the running back position?

Do you think that 3-13 is better for the long term future of the franchise than 2-14?

Do you think the 2002 Bucs and 2000 Ravens are model NFL teams to aspire to?

Do you find playoff records to be irrelevant?

Do you believe that guards and right tackles should be taken with top five picks?

Do you believe that a quarterback is best served as a game manager?

Do you believe that every 3rd Down play should either be a screen or a draw?

Do you believe kicker is the most important position on the offense?

Do you believe that all of the best prospects reside in the Big XII?

Do you believe in trading down in any situation during the draft?

Do you believe that a team is better served picking 20 rather than 5 because they don't have to pay the player as much?

Do you believe that the only way to be a winning team is to throw money at the most expensive Free Agents every year, regardless of need?

Do you judge QBOTF by their box scores?

Do you think that risk is scary, and therefore, wish to draft last in every round to avoid the perception of failure?

Do you think that Marty and Bill Cowher are the only two coaches left on the planet?

Do you think that Gunther was once a great coordinator?

Do you think that reaction is safer than action?

Do you think every other team that actually drafted a QBOTF just 'got lucky' and that it could never happen to us?

Is your name [alias of claythan and hootie]?

Do you prefer tailgating to Championships?

Do you fear the unknown?

Do you believe that 'being close in the 4th quarter' is the objective of an offense?

Do you believe that the run sets up the pass?

Do you believe that Stafford "has done nothing worth mentioning" in college?

Do you think QBs don't need to know how to play from under the center, and that learning 5 and 7 step drops is irrelevant because once Thigpen completed a 7 yard pass to a hall of fame tight end in quadruple coverage?



If so, you may suffer from TFS, True Fan Syndrome. Here at the ChiefsPlanet Clinic, our staff of experts can help rid you of this debilitating malady. Through study of game tape of such contests as Super Bowl XXIII we can help ameliorate the effects of play not to lose football.

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[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by stevieray

I'll be in the grass between A and B lots....glad you got tix...I had two extra tickets for the charger game.....

I'll try to find you tomorrow, worst case, we'll come down to your seat at some point, we're just sitting a few sections over...

[stevieray]

awesome...I'm sure lucky to be Elvis otherwise you wouldn't even care...

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Aikman to me is the boderline case between game manager / HOF-type quarterback. Those that want to claim you don't have to have a HOF-type quarterback to have a dynasty SHOULD use the 1992-1995 Cowboys because it is the ONLY possible example. One thing about those teams -- put a 2002-2005 Trent Green on those teams instead of Aikman. I say they are just as good.

Aikman made throws that Trent Green never could have sniffed...his arm was so ridiculous.

Aikman was one of the best and most talented QB's of that era the only thing that doesn't suggest that is his team didn't put it up constantly.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Aikman made throws that Trent Green never could have sniffed...his arm was so ridiculous.

Aikman was one of the best and most talented QB's of that era the only thing that doesn't suggest that is his team didn't put it up constantly.

I'm sorry -- that's like saying that a baseball player has a lot of tools. Who the **** cares. Either he produces or does not. And the number of times you put it up does not affect your QB rating. Aikman never had a QB rating above 100 despite playing in a QB friendly system.

Look, Aikman was a very good QB, but I don't think he was a great QB.

I agree with you guys who say it's all about the QB -- but I think you need to admit that the Cowboys dynasty is the one very iffy example (or even counter-example). They had dominant personnel at just about every position.

[Mecca]

Ok lets look at something, Troy Aikman didn't play in todays QB friendly dink and dunk offense, he threw the ball down the field routinely.

Did you see some of the throws that guy made? How about the highlight everyone has seen on his TD pass to Irvin in the Superbowl? It's a 20 yard out, the Buffalo guy is right there he has all of a foot of room and the ball gets there on a frozen rope in the perfect spot.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok lets look at something, Troy Aikman didn't play in todays QB friendly dink and dunk offense, he threw the ball down the field routinely.

Did you see some of the throws that guy made? How about the highlight everyone has seen on his TD pass to Irvin in the Superbowl? It's a 20 yard out, the Buffalo guy is right there he has all of a foot of room and the ball gets there on a frozen rope in the perfect spot.

Today's dink and dunk? That's been around forever. Trent Green, playing in the same system, wasn't dink and dunk. In fact, I think there is less dink and dunk now because of the the Cover-2, which is really all about trying to stop the WCO.

Mecca, you are just too caught up in rifle arms. There is a hell of a lot more to QB than rifle arms.

[Mecca]

I think it's funny how people don't seem to give Aikman any credit, the guy was a great player. If you could build your team around Troy Aikman you do it in a heartbeat.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If you could build your team around Troy Aikman you do it in a heartbeat.

I'll go along with that part of the statement. That's different.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

I'll go along with that part of the statement. That's different.

I don't know what the hell happened but there sure is a lack of QB talent in football in general these days.

We went from that era to what we have now of a few guys.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

But a much higher % of teams have won SBs, and have been competitive year in, year out, with a franchise QB.

I just can not comprehend how people can not see this.
Even if you want to be a defense oriented team you STILL need the qb..Pitt...NYG
I am to the point I wont argue who just get a qb with this high pick is all i ask.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I'm not blasting him, I'll take a solid team with a solid, knowledgeable, skilled, mistake free leader over a sketchy team with a gunslinger who thinks he's the reason everyone gathered together today every day of the week.

Yes, because we're all asking for the Chiefs to draft an egotistical douchebag like Jeff George.

I love this false dichotomy, as though we are arguing that it's a franchise QB and 52 XFL rejects.

The fact of the matter is that the "game managers" that you annoint are game managers precisely because they don't have the talent to take over a game. You want to know what happens when you put the game on the back of a game manager? He throws five picks in the Super Bowl like Gannon or Collins did. A franchise QB does what Tom Brady and Joe Montana did.

Concurrently, there is a point of talking past one another here, where when the true fans really say "game manager" they are speaking Cowher, which means "Don't make turnovers, don't force it anywhere, and throw the ball away if you face any pressure." It's just another iteration of the conservative all hat, no cattle Marty approach where if you play it close to the vest, someone can miracle your ass a Super Bowl instead of going out and actually winning the ****ing thing.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

I just can not comprehend how people can not see this.
Even if you want to be a defense oriented team you STILL need the qb..Pitt...NYG
I am to the point I wont argue who just get a qb with this high pick is all i ask.

NO! The insanity must continue at ALL COSTS!
BAD RIPPED! BAD!

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yes, because we're all asking for the Chiefs to draft an egotistical douchebag like Jeff George.

I love this false dichotomy, as though we are arguing that it's a franchise QB and 52 XFL rejects.

The fact of the matter is that the "game managers" that you annoint are game managers precisely because they don't have the talent to take over a game. You want to know what happens when you put the game on the back of a game manager? He throws five picks in the Super Bowl like Gannon or Collins did. A franchise QB does what Tom Brady and Joe Montana did.

Concurrently, there is a point of talking past one another here, where when the true fans really say "game manager" they are speaking Cowher, which means "Don't make turnovers, don't force it anywhere, and throw the ball away if you face any pressure." It's just another iteration of the conservative all hat, no cattle Marty approach where if you play it close to the vest, someone can miracle your ass a Super Bowl instead of going out and actually winning the ****ing thing.

Valium at table two please...

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The fact of the matter is that the "game managers" that you annoint are game managers precisely because they don't have the talent to take over a game. You want to know what happens when you put the game on the back of a game manager? He throws five picks in the Super Bowl like Gannon or Collins did. A franchise QB does what Tom Brady and Joe Montana did.

Brett F@cking Favre!!!
John F@cking Elway!!!
Dan F@cking Marino!!!


Each have pulled a "game manager" [in the derogatory manner you twist it] or two in their day. MoF, Favre threw 6 SIX!!! in a game, and last year it seems like their SEASON ended on a pick from him.

F@ck your 'false dichotomies.' where you try to lay out 'game managers are the ones who fail and throw picks when the game is important and franchise QBs are the ones who come through and win it all, however it comes about.'

It's all part and parcel of your 'seeing the bright side of life' regarding your paradigm.


And the only game managers I 'annointed' were Simms and Aikman, who won the enchilada plenty of times over. You're the one who annoints shitty QBs.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Concurrently, there is a point of talking past one another here, where when the true fans really say "game manager" they are speaking Cowher, which means "Don't make turnovers, don't force it anywhere, and throw the ball away if you face any pressure." It's just another iteration of the conservative all hat, no cattle Marty approach where if you play it close to the vest, someone can miracle your ass a Super Bowl instead of going out and actually winning the ****ing thing.

''Hamas' Last Stand!!!'

Well, see. . . since everthing else I've been saying is obliterated, might was well throw up the old 'what my opposition is saying is actually CODE!!!11oneONEONE for something much darker and seemier' gambit.

[Baby Lee]

You see, game managers are like Kerry Collins who pukes on his shoes when HFA is on the line and throws an int to end the game, and franchise QBs are like Roethlisberger, who shows up as clutch passer against a stout defense to secure said HFA . . . . errrrrr.