NFL Draft Tamba Hali? MOTHER F*** you CARL!! - Page 16

**banyon** · 04-29-2006, 01:32 PM

If you like Hali fine.

But this was 10 picks too high to take this dude.

Eleazar · 04-30-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by old_geezer

I don't think God with a bull-whip could "kick up the play" of Sims or See-a-v. On the other hand I can live with the pick. Going into the draft I was just hoping for anyone besides a midget CB (see Tye Hill) trying to cover the likes of Randy Moss.

Tye Hill is not a midget. He's 5'10".

Ty Law lists at 5'11".
Patrick Surtain lists at 5'11".

Are people aware that not every good NFL cornerback is 6'6"?

**buddha** · 04-30-2006, 09:39 AM

Of course...every pick is either a reach or a bust for most of the clowns around here.

There is always a website with another clown who knows equally little about each of these guys to confirm all doubts.

Look at the young man's production. He's an All-American playing DE at Penn State. I'd say there's a decent chance he will be better than most of you think he will be.

However, I know that is matters less than being able to say a year from now..."see, I told all of you that Hali would suck...!"

chiefsfan1963 · 04-30-2006, 09:41 AM

as usual chiefs are always in a pickle during the draft b/c they are just good enough to place them out of reach of the better players during each round. 20th pick suxs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

given where we are in the draft pure luck plays a big part of who we get and if he'll make a difference in the short run and long run. Larry Johnson is a great example of this.

Eleazar · 04-30-2006, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by buddha

Of course...every pick is either a reach or a bust for most of the clowns around here.

There is always a website with another clown who knows equally little about each of these guys to confirm all doubts.

Look at the young man's production. He's an All-American playing DE at Penn State. I'd say there's a decent chance he will be better than most of you think he will be.

However, I know that is matters less than being able to say a year from now..."see, I told all of you that Hali would suck...!"

Exactly. He was a 1st team all American, he has at least something to offer.

It's a lot easier to run to the computer sniffling and snorting, hoping desperately to be the first guy to post a Damnit Carl

thread. If Tamba turns into a bust, you can say "seeeeeee!!!! I told youuuu!!!!". But if he turns out to be great, you just get away with "eh, I'm glad I was wrong."

SLAG · 04-30-2006, 09:47 AM

We can Bump this thread after Tamba Registers his first 3 sacks, I hope wright is Shakin in his boots

Frosty · 04-30-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SLAG02

I hope Kitna is Shakin in his boots

We play Detroit this year?

Swanman · 04-30-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Exactly. He was a 1st team all American, he has at least something to offer.

It's a lot easier to run to the computer sniffling and snorting, hoping desperately to be the first guy to post a Damnit Carl

thread. If Tamba turns into a bust, you can say "seeeeeee!!!! I told youuuu!!!!". But if he turns out to be great, you just get away with "eh, I'm glad I was wrong."

I'll take a first-team All-American out of the Big 10leven at #20 most of the time, so I'm happy with the pick. I'm sick of guys slipping in the draft when no games are being played. This guy was rated as high as a top 10 pick right after the college season and then slipped during the workouts. If the workout numbers are so important, then tons of hall-of-famers wouldn't have seen an NFL field. It's one thing to be strong and fast, it's another to be able to play the game of football.

tiptap · 04-30-2006, 10:01 AM

The Chief's improve statistically and visually on run defense. The passing game though was hampered by a lack of a pass rush from just our 4 lineman. Therefore this is the area we want improvement, along the D-line. That play will translate directly into better secondary play. The choise of DE fits that need. Add in Dixon play at DT in NFL Europe, see a full seasaon out of Sims (hoping hoping) and we are trying to build that depth at d-line to win THIS YEAR.

tiptap · 04-30-2006, 10:02 AM

The Chief's improve statistically and visually on run defense. The passing game though was hampered by a lack of a pass rush from just our 4 lineman. Therefore this is the area we want improvement, along the D-line. That play will translate directly into better secondary play. The choise of DE fits that need. Add in Dixon play at DT in NFL Europe, see a full seasaon out of Sims (hoping hoping) and we are trying to build that depth at d-line to win THIS YEAR. I am good with this choice at number in the first round.

Frankie · 05-01-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

You can increase strength. You can't increase intensity.

Good point. For proof of Intensity>Strength look no further than Siavii.

Frankie · 05-01-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Exactly, this kid sounds like he has a real good head on his shoulders, he can gain more muscle and become a badass, esp since his head seems to be in the right place. He isn't a lazy jerkoff like some Dlineman we know.

And he is still learning his position, ala Okoye. Good coaching can turn this guy into a monster.

Frankie · 05-01-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

He's a pacifist, and wouldn't lay the wood!

Lurch · 05-01-2006, 02:10 PM

A post from another site about Hali....WIP or whatever.

Tamba Hali: Inside Info

I've been a Penn State fan for over 25 years. In addition, I'm lucky enough to have some contacts inside the PSU program. Let me give you the REAL skinny on Hali:

1) Tamba was the #1 ranked DE at the Sr. Bowl and named the North's Defensive MVP. The general concensus among OLmen at the Sr. Bowl was that Hali was the toughest DE to block. While most collegiate DEs try and beat you with their athleticism (ala Lawson and Mario) on outside speed rushers, Hali truley mixes it up. He has a VERY low center of gravity and immense leverage. He plays much bigger than his 6'2" frame. In addition, he plays both the pass and run very well. He is a total football player, not just a sack specialist.

2) As for a poor showing at the NFL combine, that is total nonsense considering that he DID NOT even perform at the combine! Instead, he performed at PSU's proday. This is where it gets interesting. Tamba's stock fell because of his "smallish" size and "poor" performance. #1) His size is his size for better or worse. At PSU, he played at 265. As I said earlier, he does play big for his size (big hands, large wingspan, great lower body leverage). #2) His "poor" performance was really a product of Mike Mayock's report on NFL Network. Mayock reported that Hali ran a 4.84 40 and this is the number that other media outlets picked up. For the life of me, I can't confirm which scout he got this number from. FWIW, the coaching staff at PSU was quite miffed about that number. The concensus among GMs and scouts had Tamba clocked in the low 4.70s and his low time was actually a 4.63.

3) Tamba is really a hybrid DE. He's not a speed rusher nor a bull rusher. He can do both. In addition, he plays both the run and pass well. His best attribute is his conditioning and desire. He seems to get better as the game goes on. He will give you guys 100% on every play. I can honestly say that he's my favorite DE in PSU history. You guys got a gem

**buddha** · 05-01-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon

Just think we could've had him 10 picks later, and even if we couldn't have, we would've gotten someone of similar talent to fill a need.

Banyon...it's fine that you don't like the pick, but you continue to make wild assumptions based on very little solid information. What makes you think we could have gotten Hali 10 picks later...have you talked to each of the GMs who picked after us? Come on now!???

And who exactly was out there who had "similar talent" that we could have gotten 10 picks later? I can't think of anybody and the draft board certainly doesn't show anybody who is comparable to Hali at that point in the draft or slightly later.

Sure...trade down when you don't have a guy at your pick that you feel strongly about. That's a wise move. However, KC felt strongly about Hali. Moving down and missing on him, especially considering the extreme need at DE would have most likely been a monumental error. The draft gods don't go out of their way to favor KC in the best of times. Last year was an exception.

We got a guy who was an All-American DE, and a guy who disrupted offenses on a regular basis. I think he is as close to a sure thing as we could have gotten all things considered. If I'm right, nobody is going to be concerned about where we drafted him...right?

Thig Lyfe · 05-01-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by buddha

We got a guy who was an All-American DE, and a guy who disrupted offenses on a regular basis. I think he is as close to a sure thing as we could have gotten all things considered. If I'm right, nobody is going to be concerned about where we drafted him...right?

You are quite correct. People seem to think Hali's only plus is his character. But did you know talent and character aren't mutually exclusive? WHOAA!!! Yes, it's true!

An All-American in both talent and ethic. It's somebody the Chiefs have been lacking in their first day picks for a while now.

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04-30-2006, 09:39 AM	#227
buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	Of course...every pick is either a reach or a bust for most of the clowns around here. There is always a website with another clown who knows equally little about each of these guys to confirm all doubts. Look at the young man's production. He's an All-American playing DE at Penn State. I'd say there's a decent chance he will be better than most of you think he will be. However, I know that is matters less than being able to say a year from now..."see, I told all of you that Hali would suck...!"
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04-30-2006, 09:41 AM	#228
chiefsfan1963 Veteran Join Date: Oct 2001 Casino cash: $10005060	as usual chiefs are always in a pickle during the draft b/c they are just good enough to place them out of reach of the better players during each round. 20th pick suxs!!!!!!!!!!!!!! given where we are in the draft pure luck plays a big part of who we get and if he'll make a difference in the short run and long run. Larry Johnson is a great example of this.
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04-30-2006, 10:01 AM	#233
tiptap Is this it? Join Date: Jan 2004 Casino cash: $10007847	The Chief's improve statistically and visually on run defense. The passing game though was hampered by a lack of a pass rush from just our 4 lineman. Therefore this is the area we want improvement, along the D-line. That play will translate directly into better secondary play. The choise of DE fits that need. Add in Dixon play at DT in NFL Europe, see a full seasaon out of Sims (hoping hoping) and we are trying to build that depth at d-line to win THIS YEAR. __________________ Even a superstitious man has certain inalienable rights. He has a right to harbor and indulge his imbecilities as long as he pleases. . . He has a right to argue for them as eloquently as he can, in season and out of season. He has a right to teach them to his children. But certainly he has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred. He has no right to preach them without challenge." -H.L. Mencken
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04-30-2006, 10:02 AM	#234
tiptap Is this it? Join Date: Jan 2004 Casino cash: $10007847	The Chief's improve statistically and visually on run defense. The passing game though was hampered by a lack of a pass rush from just our 4 lineman. Therefore this is the area we want improvement, along the D-line. That play will translate directly into better secondary play. The choise of DE fits that need. Add in Dixon play at DT in NFL Europe, see a full seasaon out of Sims (hoping hoping) and we are trying to build that depth at d-line to win THIS YEAR. I am good with this choice at number in the first round. __________________ Even a superstitious man has certain inalienable rights. He has a right to harbor and indulge his imbecilities as long as he pleases. . . He has a right to argue for them as eloquently as he can, in season and out of season. He has a right to teach them to his children. But certainly he has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred. He has no right to preach them without challenge." -H.L. Mencken
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05-01-2006, 02:10 PM	#238
Lurch You rang? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Greenbriar, USA Casino cash: $9944957	A post from another site about Hali....WIP or whatever. Tamba Hali: Inside Info I've been a Penn State fan for over 25 years. In addition, I'm lucky enough to have some contacts inside the PSU program. Let me give you the REAL skinny on Hali: 1) Tamba was the #1 ranked DE at the Sr. Bowl and named the North's Defensive MVP. The general concensus among OLmen at the Sr. Bowl was that Hali was the toughest DE to block. While most collegiate DEs try and beat you with their athleticism (ala Lawson and Mario) on outside speed rushers, Hali truley mixes it up. He has a VERY low center of gravity and immense leverage. He plays much bigger than his 6'2" frame. In addition, he plays both the pass and run very well. He is a total football player, not just a sack specialist. 2) As for a poor showing at the NFL combine, that is total nonsense considering that he DID NOT even perform at the combine! Instead, he performed at PSU's proday. This is where it gets interesting. Tamba's stock fell because of his "smallish" size and "poor" performance. #1) His size is his size for better or worse. At PSU, he played at 265. As I said earlier, he does play big for his size (big hands, large wingspan, great lower body leverage). #2) His "poor" performance was really a product of Mike Mayock's report on NFL Network. Mayock reported that Hali ran a 4.84 40 and this is the number that other media outlets picked up. For the life of me, I can't confirm which scout he got this number from. FWIW, the coaching staff at PSU was quite miffed about that number. The concensus among GMs and scouts had Tamba clocked in the low 4.70s and his low time was actually a 4.63. 3) Tamba is really a hybrid DE. He's not a speed rusher nor a bull rusher. He can do both. In addition, he plays both the run and pass well. His best attribute is his conditioning and desire. He seems to get better as the game goes on. He will give you guys 100% on every play. I can honestly say that he's my favorite DE in PSU history. You guys got a gem __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -- Benjamin Franklin
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