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Old 04-29-2006, 01:32 PM  
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Tamba Hali? MOTHER F*** you CARL!!
If you like Hali fine.

But this was 10 picks too high to take this dude.
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Old 12-02-2010, 09:41 PM   #451
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Howard has never been worth a dogs shaved ass. Producing how? Because he made tackles 7 yards down field? You flat out did not watch the guy play if you say he was producing and that isn't even a ****ing argument. The guy sucked. He's riding pine for a reason now.

Furthermore, Hali is still the only pass rush threat we have. If we get someone on the otherside of the him, he's going to be a 10+ sack a year guy. I think everyone should ****ing know that by now.
Thomas Howard was never Ray Lewis, but he was an effective weakside cover backer, which is one of the reasons why he snagged a fair number of picks, and made some big plays for the Fade on occasion.

Also, no one disagrees with you that Hali is the only PR the Chiefs have, but when that only rusher is putting up 3 sacks a year, even an above average weakside LB who can snag 6 picks in a year looks better than a dog's ass, which is exactly what Hali was in 2008.
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Old 12-02-2010, 09:45 PM   #452
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Thomas Howard was never Ray Lewis, but he was an effective weakside cover backer, which is one of the reasons why he snagged a fair number of picks, and made some big plays for the Fade on occasion.
Dude seriously, grabbing a few picks doesn't make him worth shit. He never was. He got blowed up (to quote Emmitt Smiff) regularly, and was a big reason why that run defense was so putrid. I'm not even going to debate it anymore. The guy is, and was garbage. Period. He's riding the pine behind a guy that isn't much better. He wasn't Ray Lewis when Ray was on injured reserve. He wasn't even a poor mans Derrick Brooks. He just sucked. I don't care what his tackles were. Donnie Edwards made a shit load of tackle.....19 yards past the line. But even Donnie was a better player than Thomas Howard. Don't even try to argue this one Hamas. That guy is garbage.

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Also, no one disagrees with you that Hali is the only PR the Chiefs have, but when that only rusher is putting up 3 sacks a year, even an above average weakside LB who can snag 6 picks in a year looks better than a dog's ass, which is exactly what Hali was in 2008.
Playing with his hand in the dirt against left tackles with no one else around him. Obviously the guy is lot better than Thomas ****ing Howard. I don't throw the baby out with the bath water, which is what you do. Tamba had a bad year so hey, **** him. It's dumb Hamas. Lots of guys have down seasons.
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Dude seriously, grabbing a few picks doesn't make him worth shit. He never was. He got blowed up (to quote Emmitt Smiff) regularly, and was a big reason why that run defense was so putrid. I'm not even going to debate it anymore. The guy is, and was garbage. Period. He's riding the pine behind a guy that isn't much better. He wasn't Ray Lewis when Ray was on injured reserve. He wasn't even a poor mans Derrick Brooks. He just sucked. I don't care what his tackles were. Donnie Edwards made a shit load of tackle.....19 yards past the line. But even Donnie was a better player than Thomas Howard. Don't even try to argue this one Hamas. That guy is garbage.



Playing with his hand in the dirt against left tackles with no one else around him. Obviously the guy is lot better than Thomas ****ing Howard. I don't throw the baby out with the bath water, which is what you do. Tamba had a bad year so hey, **** him. It's dumb Hamas. Lots of guys have down seasons.
No one said that Thomas Howard was great or even that good. However, a poor man's Donnie Edwards (and that's exactly what he was) was a far more productive player in 2008 than Tamba Hali. Do you remember how ****ing bad he was? How he was absolutely annihilated against the run? You talk about Howard getting killed against the run, Hali was the worst run defending DE in the league not named Dwight Freeney.

Essentially everyone had given up on Tamba Hali before halfway through 2009. You weren't here, so you have the benefit of claiming that you didn't. Congrats. I was here, I read the ****ing posts and posted in the thread. The guy was a massive target of vitriol. He was viewed as a situational, complementary pass rusher who was horrible against the run.

And expecting a first round draft pick to beat a LT when single covered is not a Herculean task.
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Mecca drafted Sam Bradford in the mock.
He didn't draft him someone else drafted him because Mecca was too busy to make his pick.
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He didn't draft him someone else drafted him because Mecca was too busy to make his pick.
Go back and read his post about it.
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:07 PM   #456
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No one said that Thomas Howard was great or even that good. However, a poor man's Donnie Edwards (and that's exactly what he was) was a far more productive player in 2008 than Tamba Hali. Do you remember how ****ing bad he was? How he was absolutely annihilated against the run? You talk about Howard getting killed against the run, Hali was the worst run defending DE in the league not named Dwight Freeney.

Essentially everyone had given up on Tamba Hali before halfway through 2009. You weren't here, so you have the benefit of claiming that you didn't. Congrats. I was here, I read the ****ing posts and posted in the thread. The guy was a massive target of vitriol. He was viewed as a situational, complementary pass rusher who was horrible against the run.

And expecting a first round draft pick to beat a LT when single covered is not a Herculean task.
I said Hali had a down season, no doubt about it. **** man Michael Strahan had a 5.5 sack season once after becoming a pro bowl guy. That's my point. It happens to almost every guy at some point. A down season.

And no, Thomas Howard was never even a poor mans Donnie Edwards. Dude he sucked. Just stop. I watched him get trucked by very poor fullbacks who are out of the league now. He was soft as shit.

I'll tell you who he was, a poor mans Ian Gold.
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:20 PM   #457
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No one said that Thomas Howard was great or even that good. However, a poor man's Donnie Edwards (and that's exactly what he was) was a far more productive player in 2008 than Tamba Hali. Do you remember how ****ing bad he was? How he was absolutely annihilated against the run? You talk about Howard getting killed against the run, Hali was the worst run defending DE in the league not named Dwight Freeney.

Essentially everyone had given up on Tamba Hali before halfway through 2009. You weren't here, so you have the benefit of claiming that you didn't. Congrats. I was here, I read the ****ing posts and posted in the thread. The guy was a massive target of vitriol. He was viewed as a situational, complementary pass rusher who was horrible against the run.

And expecting a first round draft pick to beat a LT when single covered is not a Herculean task.
ahem...excuse me.... I called that this was the best defense for him and that he would do well. I really didn't have any doubts that he would. Frankly, it was a very, very good fit given his athletic ability.
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Why does someone need to "own it"?

The dude has 75,000 posts on a football and he's got a strong opinion.

Is the purpose of this forum to discuss football or to wait until someone's wrong, then throw it in their face repeatedly?
No, it is much, much better to threaten and beat your chest and call someone else stupid....... when it is still opinion and NOT proven.

Your position on this is laughable, not that I am surprised.
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ahem...excuse me.... I called that this was the best defense for him and that he would do well. I really didn't have any doubts that he would. Frankly, it was a very, very good fit given his athletic ability.
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Mecca drafted Sam Bradford in the mock.
Is that supposed to mean he liked Bradford? Cuz there's about 200 posts of evidence to the contrary.
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Is that supposed to mean he liked Bradford? Cuz there's about 200 posts of evidence to the contrary.
Perhaps he was ambivalent about him, then? He was fine with taking him #4 overall is all I'm saying.
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