Tamba Hali? MOTHER F*** you CARL!!

[banyon]

If you like Hali fine.

But this was 10 picks too high to take this dude.

[dtrain]

Originally Posted by Brock

Hicks will probably be starting on day one no matter what player was picked.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one with the Hermster in da hizzle!

[Wa-Z]

Originally Posted by Rausch

He's not very strong and doesn't have a lot of experience. I'm just worried he'll end up like RKal-El whatever.

I'm sure you would know this because you worked out with him...

[Frankie]

TAMBA HALI!!!

This is the guy I've wanted for the Chiefs all along. Would I have been happier to get him around pick 30 after a trade down? Of course. But I bet he would have been snatched before that.

[the Talking Can]

before I read the thread,my thoughts:

Hali is everything Siavi isn't....produced at a big school at a big conference, and his work ethic is unqestioned....he has come from circumstances that make him humble and hungry....he is exactly the type of guy Herm told us he'd draft...

did we reach a little? yeah...

did we fill a position of need? yeah...

how good will he be? don't know...

I'm happy with this pick...he isn't a project and we didn't draft for "potential"....

no reason to be that upset, imho

[Hydrae]

I do not understand the whole "he was a reach, he should have gone 10 picks lower" mentality. If you do not have someone in that range to trade down with and it is a player/position you want, how is it a reach? If you don't "reach", you don't get the player you want. Just because the "experts" don't agree with the value, if it is what you need, it is a decent pick.

[Lurch]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Maybe more like 20

Dave

The production as a pass rusher just hasn't been there. He needs to work on his pass rush moves to be more effective at getting to the quarterback. Experience is really the key for Hali. He still has a lot to learn about the game, overall, instead of strictly relying on his physical ability to help him make plays. While he did play two years at the defensive tackle position, he really didn't have the bulk or the strength to hold up at the position as a pro. He will still struggle even the even at the end position if a team decides to run right at him.

Despite his athleticism, Hali has limited pass rush moves. He makes more plays based on his ability to overpower college tackles and with his hustle. Hali also lacks the pure size to be a prime draft pick. When facing NFL sized tackles, he has shown the ability to be neutralized and taken out of plays.

Does not have great size and is a little on the short side...His timed speed is nothing to get excited about...Lacks a wide variety of pass rush moves...Has short arms and doesn't use his hands well...Can be engulfed by bigger offensive lineman and double teams...Made a lot of his plays rushing off the edge...Maxed out and probably doesn't have the frame to get much bigger than he already is.

To be fair....

STRONG POINTSHali is a very good athlete with the quick feet, agility and burst to make plays all over the field. When he rushes the quarterback aggressively, he can jolt the offensive tackle and can either drive him backwards into the quarterback's lap or he can beat him with a very good club or swim move. Despite lacking a burst off the ball, once he gets going he has the playing speed to out race the offensive tackle around the corner. He does a good job ob playing with leverage vs. run blocks, can stack the point of attack, sheds the block and make tackles. He is very good at chasing down running plays in backside pursuit.

ATHLETIC ABILITYSection Grade: 6.5Hali is a very good athlete, which is a big reason he was a productive college defensive end despite a lack of experience at the position. He has very quick feet -- on runs away, he can accelerate to full speed in a flash and has the speed to chase down the ball carrier. He has good natural flexibility to bend his knees and play with leverage and a good base, but he does not show it consistently. His combination of very quick feet and agility help him to change directions and burst in the other direction when he keeps his knees bent and plays with leverage. He is a coordinated athlete who never loses his balance and keeps his feet vs. low blocks well. At times, however, he is robotic in his movement and does not seem natural moving and adjusting.

MENTAL ALERTNESSSection Grade: 5.5Hali is a smart young man who has remarkably good technique vs. blockers (both run blocks and rushing the quarterback) for a player who did not grow up in America. The thing that holds him back most are his lack of football instincts -- he does not explode off the ball as a pass rusher and often ends up standing still trying to identify the play before he gets moving. His high level of concentration helps him to consistently play with excellent effort on every snap despite not always knowing where to go.

[banyon]

Originally Posted by Wa-Z

I'm sure you would know this because you worked out with him...

Did you miss the post about his scouting workout of 17 reps.

Weak.

[Red Dawg]

Hali faceed alot tougher comp then the NC State crew. Only Mario is a bad ass, the other two only looked good in blow out games. ACC compared to the Big Ten is a joke. Big Ten is tough. This kid was very productive all the way around.

This is not a reach.

[banyon]

Originally Posted by Lurch

To be fair....

STRONG POINTSHali is a very good athlete with the quick feet, agility and burst to make plays all over the field. When he rushes the quarterback aggressively, he can jolt the offensive tackle and can either drive him backwards into the quarterback's lap or he can beat him with a very good club or swim move. Despite lacking a burst off the ball, once he gets going he has the playing speed to out race the offensive tackle around the corner. He does a good job ob playing with leverage vs. run blocks, can stack the point of attack, sheds the block and make tackles. He is very good at chasing down running plays in backside pursuit.

ATHLETIC ABILITYSection Grade: 6.5Hali is a very good athlete, which is a big reason he was a productive college defensive end despite a lack of experience at the position. He has very quick feet -- on runs away, he can accelerate to full speed in a flash and has the speed to chase down the ball carrier. He has good natural flexibility to bend his knees and play with leverage and a good base, but he does not show it consistently. His combination of very quick feet and agility help him to change directions and burst in the other direction when he keeps his knees bent and plays with leverage. He is a coordinated athlete who never loses his balance and keeps his feet vs. low blocks well. At times, however, he is robotic in his movement and does not seem natural moving and adjusting.

MENTAL ALERTNESSSection Grade: 5.5Hali is a smart young man who has remarkably good technique vs. blockers (both run blocks and rushing the quarterback) for a player who did not grow up in America. The thing that holds him back most are his lack of football instincts -- he does not explode off the ball as a pass rusher and often ends up standing still trying to identify the play before he gets moving. His high level of concentration helps him to consistently play with excellent effort on every snap despite not always knowing where to go.

What was his 40 time out of curiosity?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by banyon

Did you miss the post about his scouting workout of 17 reps.

Weak.

As I said earlier that is fixable because NFL teams have great strength and conditioning programs.

You might have missed my response to you but Rick Gosselin picked that Tamba would be picked by the Chiefs so it wasn't a reach.

[JBucc]

Originally Posted by banyon

What was his 40 time out of curiosity?

4.7ish if I remember right

[FloridaMan88]

Reaching for a defensive lineman with a limited football background... sounds like Junior Siavii to me.

This is so typical of Peterson, reaching for a guy who has "raw potential".

I hate this pick

[Mecca]

Tamba Halis 40 was 4.84...........

Also the ACC is better than the Big10 don't even try to say it isn't.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Reaching for a defensive lineman with a limited football background... sounds like Junior Siavii to me.

This is so typical of Peterson, reaching for a guy who has "raw potential".

I hate this pick

To be honest Hali doesn't have that much potential......most of his reports say he's "maxed out".

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

before I read the thread,my thoughts:

Hali is everything Siavi isn't....produced at a big school at a big conference, and his work ethic is unqestioned....he has come from circumstances that make him humble and hungry....he is exactly the type of guy Herm told us he'd draft...

did we reach a little? yeah...

did we fill a position of need? yeah...

how good will he be? don't know...

I'm happy with this pick...he isn't a project and we didn't draft for "potential"....

no reason to be that upset, imho

good post. my thoughts mirror TC's..the mitigating factor could be Krumrie.

Two motor guys on the ends? I like it.