For those that want to draft a WR in the first round.... - Page 2

chop · 04-13-2007, 07:46 AM

Doesn't look like it will happen.

http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/69032.html

Chiefs won’t get grabby

Team doesn’t place a high priority on wide receivers in the upcoming NFL draft.

By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star

Herm Edwards was talking recently about the players who will catch passes for the Chiefs next season. He took care to mention two young wide receivers, Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon, even though they had three receptions between them as rookies last season.
“We’ve got two young guys, and I want to see whether they can play or not,” Edwards said. “I know one thing: We don’t cover them in practice very well.”
Is it just draft talk, designed to convince the NFL’s 31 other teams the Chiefs have no intention of selecting a receiver in the upcoming player lottery?
Perhaps. But know two things. First, Edwards isn’t big, even in the days leading to the draft, on talking up prospects he doesn’t have expectations for.
The other is that the Chiefs don’t view improving the position as a top priority, certainly not as much as their fans do. They made no move in free-agency to sign a wide receiver.
The only top wide receiver known to be visiting with the Chiefs next week, when they intend to bring up to 30 draft prospects to Arrowhead Stadium, is Robert Meachem of Tennessee.
Among the top receivers not scheduled to visit are Sidney Rice of South Carolina, Steve Smith of USC, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis of LSU, Paul Williams of Fresno State and Yamon Figurs of Kansas State.
While this is insignificant taken alone, it is another indication the Chiefs believe they have bigger positional priorities in the draft, such as cornerback and defensive tackle.
The Chiefs could use another wide receiver and will probably select at least one. They may be content to wait until later in the draft to do it.
“When you draft a receiver in the first round, a lot of times it’s buyer beware,” Edwards said. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations.
“You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.”
Unless a draft pick pushes his way into the playing rotation, starters Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker along with Webb and Hannon will be the top wide receivers next season.
The Chiefs are trying to trade Dante Hall, who hasn’t given them what they hoped as either a slot receiver or kick returner in recent seasons. He may be released if he isn’t traded.
The Chiefs are counting on dramatic improvement from Webb, a sixth-round pick last year, and Hannon, who wasn’t drafted. Webb is bigger and more physical, and Hannon is faster but must get stronger.
“They’ve got some talent,” Edwards said. “They have enough that they’ve earned the opportunity to try to play. That’s what we’ve emphasized. We’re trying to create competition.
“It’s just a matter of getting to the details of what we’re trying to do. Now they know what we want from them. They’re not just trying to figure out what to do. ”
To Webb and Hannon, it’s a gift that the Chiefs haven’t added a wide receiver, at least so far.
“That’s the coach’s decision,” Webb said. “I don’t know what they’re thinking. All I can do is work on Jeff Webb and try to be a good player.
“Hannon and I are doing our jobs right now. We’re working extra hours when it comes time to lift weights and (spending) extra hours out on the practice field with Brodie (Croyle).”
Kennison has been a regular at the offseason workouts since they began almost two weeks ago. He recently turned 34, an advanced age for a wide receiver.
But Kennison keeps himself in good physical condition. His streak of two straight 1,000-yard seasons was ended last year, but that had more to do with problems elsewhere in the Chiefs’ passing game than with any drop-off in Kennison’s play.
“I’m not going to let anybody else determine when I retire from this game,” he said. “I want to retire when I’m ready. And I’m not ready.
“I’m better at taking care of myself: diet, exercise, doing the things that are right all the time. I’m not a guy that hangs out in the nightspots. I’m not a drinker. I keep finding ways to do things better. The workouts continue to get better for me. It makes things easier. That’s my whole deal.”

jiveturkey · 04-13-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

or trading down

I can live with that if Wright or Tank are the target.

Archie Bunker · 04-13-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chop

If Webb and Hannon are as good as Herm thinks they are or can be then we are set a WR this year. They can concentrate on rebuilding the O-Line and D-Line and get younger at the CB positions.

Bingo.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-13-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jiveturkey

I can live with that if Wright or Tank are the target.

IMO, I believe KC will draft Wright since Herm seems like he's crushin' on him

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-13-2007, 08:22 AM

I've been trying to prepare people for this for weeks.

Not only does Herm not feel we need WR's, he feels they aren't good value in R1.

“For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations.
“You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.”

I'm not sure why this comes as a huge shock to anyone......

At this point, I'm thinking we go CB in R1, trade down for Harrell or Tank, or reach for a player......

jiveturkey · 04-13-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

IMO, I believe KC will draft Wright since Herm seems like he's crushin' on him

I'm not going to throw up if that's the pick but I would prefer that we drop back a few spots to get him.

Of course dropping back isn't automatic. There needs to be someone at 23 that someone else really wants and I don't have any idea who that would even be.

**HemiEd** · 04-13-2007, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chop

If Webb and Hannon are as good as Herm thinks they are or can be then we are set a WR this year. They can concentrate on rebuilding the O-Line and D-Line and get younger at the CB positions.

If we don't take WR in the first, I sure hope we take a Corner, or I will be pissed.

Extra Point · 04-13-2007, 08:25 AM

This year's draft is filled with talent, up to and including the 3rd round. I look for the Chiefs to gamble on CB Daymeion Hughes from Cal in the 1st round, even with a slow 40 in trials. Lott trophy winner, parents both track-letes.

Who the heck knows, until the 22nd pick is made?

jiveturkey · 04-13-2007, 08:26 AM

Can you imagine Eric Wright as the Nickle Back this year?

**RealSNR** · 04-13-2007, 08:26 AM

Edwards did nothing with WRs besides sign McCareins in New York. He played with Coles/Moss and Chrebet for years. Although Coles/Moss ARE decent.

eazyb81 · 04-13-2007, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jiveturkey

Can you imagine Eric Wright as the Nickle Back this year?

Yes, his ceiling is through the roof.

KCfanfromNC · 04-13-2007, 08:35 AM

I don't understand why we would go CB in the first. Herm said he doesn't like taking WR's because a lot of the times they don't start their first year. So, we take a CB that's not going to start the first year? I know we need to get younger, but trading down is looking better all the time

oldandslow · 04-13-2007, 08:37 AM

Excellent.

Levi Brown if he is there at 23. If not, take the best CB available. Or trade down for the DT.

Drafting a wr with your one is fool's gold. Exhibit A - The Detroit Lions.

eazyb81 · 04-13-2007, 08:39 AM

Anyone feel like addressing my earlier post about CBs in a Cover 2 scheme? I don't remember Tampa Bay or Chicago taking CBs in the 1st round. Is a 1st round CB really necessary?

King_Chief_Fan · 04-13-2007, 08:43 AM

Just because the Chiefs D cannot cover them doesn't indicate how good they are. It may say more about how the D still need work.

Besides, run, run, pass, punt along with Herm's: "you don't try to outscore the opponent on the road" would indicate little to no need for a WR.

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-13-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

I don't recall doing anything good with WR's on his JETS teams, his evaluation of WR's I would say, is not his strong point.

His WR corps with the Jets were better than anything we've had in over a decade.

Coles, Chrebet, Moss

04-13-2007, 07:46 AM
chop Go Chiefs! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $884270	For those that want to draft a WR in the first round.... Doesn't look like it will happen. http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/69032.html Chiefs won’t get grabby Team doesn’t place a high priority on wide receivers in the upcoming NFL draft. By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Herm Edwards was talking recently about the players who will catch passes for the Chiefs next season. He took care to mention two young wide receivers, Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon, even though they had three receptions between them as rookies last season. “We’ve got two young guys, and I want to see whether they can play or not,” Edwards said. “I know one thing: We don’t cover them in practice very well.” Is it just draft talk, designed to convince the NFL’s 31 other teams the Chiefs have no intention of selecting a receiver in the upcoming player lottery? Perhaps. But know two things. First, Edwards isn’t big, even in the days leading to the draft, on talking up prospects he doesn’t have expectations for. The other is that the Chiefs don’t view improving the position as a top priority, certainly not as much as their fans do. They made no move in free-agency to sign a wide receiver. The only top wide receiver known to be visiting with the Chiefs next week, when they intend to bring up to 30 draft prospects to Arrowhead Stadium, is Robert Meachem of Tennessee. Among the top receivers not scheduled to visit are Sidney Rice of South Carolina, Steve Smith of USC, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis of LSU, Paul Williams of Fresno State and Yamon Figurs of Kansas State. While this is insignificant taken alone, it is another indication the Chiefs believe they have bigger positional priorities in the draft, such as cornerback and defensive tackle. The Chiefs could use another wide receiver and will probably select at least one. They may be content to wait until later in the draft to do it. “When you draft a receiver in the first round, a lot of times it’s buyer beware,” Edwards said. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations. “You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.” Unless a draft pick pushes his way into the playing rotation, starters Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker along with Webb and Hannon will be the top wide receivers next season. The Chiefs are trying to trade Dante Hall, who hasn’t given them what they hoped as either a slot receiver or kick returner in recent seasons. He may be released if he isn’t traded. The Chiefs are counting on dramatic improvement from Webb, a sixth-round pick last year, and Hannon, who wasn’t drafted. Webb is bigger and more physical, and Hannon is faster but must get stronger. “They’ve got some talent,” Edwards said. “They have enough that they’ve earned the opportunity to try to play. That’s what we’ve emphasized. We’re trying to create competition. “It’s just a matter of getting to the details of what we’re trying to do. Now they know what we want from them. They’re not just trying to figure out what to do. ” To Webb and Hannon, it’s a gift that the Chiefs haven’t added a wide receiver, at least so far. “That’s the coach’s decision,” Webb said. “I don’t know what they’re thinking. All I can do is work on Jeff Webb and try to be a good player. “Hannon and I are doing our jobs right now. We’re working extra hours when it comes time to lift weights and (spending) extra hours out on the practice field with Brodie (Croyle).” Kennison has been a regular at the offseason workouts since they began almost two weeks ago. He recently turned 34, an advanced age for a wide receiver. But Kennison keeps himself in good physical condition. His streak of two straight 1,000-yard seasons was ended last year, but that had more to do with problems elsewhere in the Chiefs’ passing game than with any drop-off in Kennison’s play. “I’m not going to let anybody else determine when I retire from this game,” he said. “I want to retire when I’m ready. And I’m not ready. “I’m better at taking care of myself: diet, exercise, doing the things that are right all the time. I’m not a guy that hangs out in the nightspots. I’m not a drinker. I keep finding ways to do things better. The workouts continue to get better for me. It makes things easier. That’s my whole deal.”
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	I've been trying to prepare people for this for weeks. Not only does Herm not feel we need WR's, he feels they aren't good value in R1. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations. “You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.” I'm not sure why this comes as a huge shock to anyone...... At this point, I'm thinking we go CB in R1, trade down for Harrell or Tank, or reach for a player......
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KCfanfromNC Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Casino cash: $10004900	I don't understand why we would go CB in the first. Herm said he doesn't like taking WR's because a lot of the times they don't start their first year. So, we take a CB that's not going to start the first year? I know we need to get younger, but trading down is looking better all the time
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oldandslow Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $3743149	Excellent. Levi Brown if he is there at 23. If not, take the best CB available. Or trade down for the DT. Drafting a wr with your one is fool's gold. Exhibit A - The Detroit Lions.
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eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $9984900	Anyone feel like addressing my earlier post about CBs in a Cover 2 scheme? I don't remember Tampa Bay or Chicago taking CBs in the 1st round. Is a 1st round CB really necessary?
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King_Chief_Fan Praise Him Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: none ya Casino cash: $4755486	Just because the Chiefs D cannot cover them doesn't indicate how good they are. It may say more about how the D still need work. Besides, run, run, pass, punt along with Herm's: "you don't try to outscore the opponent on the road" would indicate little to no need for a WR. __________________ No Jesus No Peace Know Jesus Know Peace Ephesians 2:8-10 English Standard Version (ESV) 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
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