For those that want to draft a WR in the first round.... - Page 3

chop · 04-13-2007, 07:46 AM

Doesn't look like it will happen.

http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/69032.html

Chiefs won’t get grabby

Team doesn’t place a high priority on wide receivers in the upcoming NFL draft.

By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star

Herm Edwards was talking recently about the players who will catch passes for the Chiefs next season. He took care to mention two young wide receivers, Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon, even though they had three receptions between them as rookies last season.
“We’ve got two young guys, and I want to see whether they can play or not,” Edwards said. “I know one thing: We don’t cover them in practice very well.”
Is it just draft talk, designed to convince the NFL’s 31 other teams the Chiefs have no intention of selecting a receiver in the upcoming player lottery?
Perhaps. But know two things. First, Edwards isn’t big, even in the days leading to the draft, on talking up prospects he doesn’t have expectations for.
The other is that the Chiefs don’t view improving the position as a top priority, certainly not as much as their fans do. They made no move in free-agency to sign a wide receiver.
The only top wide receiver known to be visiting with the Chiefs next week, when they intend to bring up to 30 draft prospects to Arrowhead Stadium, is Robert Meachem of Tennessee.
Among the top receivers not scheduled to visit are Sidney Rice of South Carolina, Steve Smith of USC, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis of LSU, Paul Williams of Fresno State and Yamon Figurs of Kansas State.
While this is insignificant taken alone, it is another indication the Chiefs believe they have bigger positional priorities in the draft, such as cornerback and defensive tackle.
The Chiefs could use another wide receiver and will probably select at least one. They may be content to wait until later in the draft to do it.
“When you draft a receiver in the first round, a lot of times it’s buyer beware,” Edwards said. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations.
“You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.”
Unless a draft pick pushes his way into the playing rotation, starters Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker along with Webb and Hannon will be the top wide receivers next season.
The Chiefs are trying to trade Dante Hall, who hasn’t given them what they hoped as either a slot receiver or kick returner in recent seasons. He may be released if he isn’t traded.
The Chiefs are counting on dramatic improvement from Webb, a sixth-round pick last year, and Hannon, who wasn’t drafted. Webb is bigger and more physical, and Hannon is faster but must get stronger.
“They’ve got some talent,” Edwards said. “They have enough that they’ve earned the opportunity to try to play. That’s what we’ve emphasized. We’re trying to create competition.
“It’s just a matter of getting to the details of what we’re trying to do. Now they know what we want from them. They’re not just trying to figure out what to do. ”
To Webb and Hannon, it’s a gift that the Chiefs haven’t added a wide receiver, at least so far.
“That’s the coach’s decision,” Webb said. “I don’t know what they’re thinking. All I can do is work on Jeff Webb and try to be a good player.
“Hannon and I are doing our jobs right now. We’re working extra hours when it comes time to lift weights and (spending) extra hours out on the practice field with Brodie (Croyle).”
Kennison has been a regular at the offseason workouts since they began almost two weeks ago. He recently turned 34, an advanced age for a wide receiver.
But Kennison keeps himself in good physical condition. His streak of two straight 1,000-yard seasons was ended last year, but that had more to do with problems elsewhere in the Chiefs’ passing game than with any drop-off in Kennison’s play.
“I’m not going to let anybody else determine when I retire from this game,” he said. “I want to retire when I’m ready. And I’m not ready.
“I’m better at taking care of myself: diet, exercise, doing the things that are right all the time. I’m not a guy that hangs out in the nightspots. I’m not a drinker. I keep finding ways to do things better. The workouts continue to get better for me. It makes things easier. That’s my whole deal.”

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-13-2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Anyone feel like addressing my earlier post about CBs in a Cover 2 scheme? I don't remember Tampa Bay or Chicago taking CBs in the 1st round. Is a 1st round CB really necessary?

You are correct. Although, the Colts (who also run cover-2 under Dungy) drafted Marlin Jackson in the 1st in 2005.

Chiefnj · 04-13-2007, 09:06 AM

Santana Moss was the first player chosen when Herm was head coach with the NYJ. Even though he was a mid first round pick, Herm didn't really use him much that rookie year. I wonder if the system was too complicated -

I don't advocate focussing on positions in the draft, I much prefer the best player available approach. That being said, Herm's reasoning for not wanting a WR is disturbing. If they aren't likely to make an impact right away and need a season or two to get acclimated to the NFL, wouldn't you take one now while your QB is getting acclimated and they both hit their stride 2-3 years down the road?

chop · 04-13-2007, 09:07 AM

Herm does have apoint about the WR position not being an immediate impact type of player. I can't think of too many 1st round WR's that have done a whole lot in their first couple of years. Stallworth and Lelie come to mind as players the Chiefs fans wanted to draft. Stallworth was pretty good last year ( when healthy) but up until last year he was inconsistant. Lelie showed some flashes at times but he has done nothing. Roy Williams did a fair job his first year. WR in the first is a crap shoot.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-13-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chop

Herm does have apoint about the WR position not being an immediate impact type of player. I can't think of too many 1st round WR's that have done a whole lot in their first couple of years. Stallworth and Lelie come to mind as players the Chiefs fans wanted to draft.

and look who KC drafted that year Ryan *Staypuffed* fuckIN Sims.

Brock · 04-13-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Santana Moss was the first player chosen when Herm was head coach with the NYJ. Even though he was a mid first round pick, Herm didn't really use him much that rookie year. I wonder if the system was too complicated -

It might have been because he was only active for 5 games.

chagrin · 04-13-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

His WR corps with the Jets were better than anything we've had in over a decade.

Coles, Chrebet, Moss

Dude, he didn't evaluate nor draft Coles or Chrebet - Moss was lame in his time there.

htismaqe · 04-13-2007, 09:20 AM

Herm's WR's were superior to the Chiefs in all but one year from 2001 to 2005.

Chiefnj · 04-13-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Herm's WR's were superior to the Chiefs in all but one year from 2001 to 2005.

As they should have been. They were more talented than what KC had and they didn't have Tony G and an offense designed around Priest Holmes.

Coogs · 04-13-2007, 09:34 AM

I know I am in the minority here, but I am excited about the direction this team is taking. I am excited that the players we drafted last season are going to get a chance to make an impact this season. And I really don't care which position we choose in which round in a couple of weeks. I don't think we are one player away from being a contender, and that we have many needs at many positions. A couple of more years of drafting the best football player available at that time in each round.... regardless of position.... is exactly what this team needs.

Now, if only CP and Herm request that Gun take an extended 3 week vacation to the Bahamas starting tomorrow, I would feel better about us being able to identify the best football player available on defense.

Chiefnj · 04-13-2007, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Herm's WR's were superior to the Chiefs in all but one year from 2001 to 2005.

Do you agree with Herm? Do you agree with his reasoning?

crazycoffey · 04-13-2007, 09:44 AM

Justin Harrell at 23 isn't much of a reach, IMO.

Harrell has a clean bill of health and was interviewed last night on path to the draft, seems to be a good kid, played through injury before surgery took him out the rest of the year..... I like a guy that will battle through pain, good character.

they said with a clean bill of health he is quickly becoming a strong third place in the DT list and moving up to a possible first round pick.....

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-13-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Santana Moss was the first player chosen when Herm was head coach with the NYJ. Even though he was a mid first round pick, Herm didn't really use him much that rookie year. I wonder if the system was too complicated -

I don't advocate focussing on positions in the draft, I much prefer the best player available approach. That being said, Herm's reasoning for not wanting a WR is disturbing. If they aren't likely to make an impact right away and need a season or two to get acclimated to the NFL, wouldn't you take one now while your QB is getting acclimated and they both hit their stride 2-3 years down the road?

I guess I'm reading this differently.

I don't think he's opposed to drafting a WR, I think he's opposed to spening a R1 on a position that:

1) Isn't likely to make an impact right away

2) He can get talented players at that position later in the draft, freeing up early picks for other positions.

I think we'll take a WR, I just think it'll be later. Better value at other positions early. Plus, we all know he's looking to stockpile picks. Wouldn't be surprised to see us trade down, providing we can find a trading partner.

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-13-2007, 09:53 AM

I keep forgetting we have these 2 young WR. Webb is 6-2 and Hannon in 6-3. I say we give these guys a shot. Try to draft a DT, or maybe deal for Jenkins.

Archie Bunker · 04-13-2007, 10:04 AM

After Calvin Johnson I really don't see much of difference between the WRs available in the late 1st and those available in 2nd-3rd rds. IMO CB might be the best value @ 23.

Herm seems to have his young WRs already. We'll see if thats good or bad.

DJJasonp · 04-13-2007, 10:08 AM

I think people are taking this story way too seriously...this is all pre-draft posturing to try to throw the mock-draft experts off from our true intentions.

I agree with many others who have said...best available.

04-13-2007, 07:46 AM
chop Go Chiefs! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $884270	For those that want to draft a WR in the first round.... Doesn't look like it will happen. http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/69032.html Chiefs won’t get grabby Team doesn’t place a high priority on wide receivers in the upcoming NFL draft. By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Herm Edwards was talking recently about the players who will catch passes for the Chiefs next season. He took care to mention two young wide receivers, Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon, even though they had three receptions between them as rookies last season. “We’ve got two young guys, and I want to see whether they can play or not,” Edwards said. “I know one thing: We don’t cover them in practice very well.” Is it just draft talk, designed to convince the NFL’s 31 other teams the Chiefs have no intention of selecting a receiver in the upcoming player lottery? Perhaps. But know two things. First, Edwards isn’t big, even in the days leading to the draft, on talking up prospects he doesn’t have expectations for. The other is that the Chiefs don’t view improving the position as a top priority, certainly not as much as their fans do. They made no move in free-agency to sign a wide receiver. The only top wide receiver known to be visiting with the Chiefs next week, when they intend to bring up to 30 draft prospects to Arrowhead Stadium, is Robert Meachem of Tennessee. Among the top receivers not scheduled to visit are Sidney Rice of South Carolina, Steve Smith of USC, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis of LSU, Paul Williams of Fresno State and Yamon Figurs of Kansas State. While this is insignificant taken alone, it is another indication the Chiefs believe they have bigger positional priorities in the draft, such as cornerback and defensive tackle. The Chiefs could use another wide receiver and will probably select at least one. They may be content to wait until later in the draft to do it. “When you draft a receiver in the first round, a lot of times it’s buyer beware,” Edwards said. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations. “You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.” Unless a draft pick pushes his way into the playing rotation, starters Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker along with Webb and Hannon will be the top wide receivers next season. The Chiefs are trying to trade Dante Hall, who hasn’t given them what they hoped as either a slot receiver or kick returner in recent seasons. He may be released if he isn’t traded. The Chiefs are counting on dramatic improvement from Webb, a sixth-round pick last year, and Hannon, who wasn’t drafted. Webb is bigger and more physical, and Hannon is faster but must get stronger. “They’ve got some talent,” Edwards said. “They have enough that they’ve earned the opportunity to try to play. That’s what we’ve emphasized. We’re trying to create competition. “It’s just a matter of getting to the details of what we’re trying to do. Now they know what we want from them. They’re not just trying to figure out what to do. ” To Webb and Hannon, it’s a gift that the Chiefs haven’t added a wide receiver, at least so far. “That’s the coach’s decision,” Webb said. “I don’t know what they’re thinking. All I can do is work on Jeff Webb and try to be a good player. “Hannon and I are doing our jobs right now. We’re working extra hours when it comes time to lift weights and (spending) extra hours out on the practice field with Brodie (Croyle).” Kennison has been a regular at the offseason workouts since they began almost two weeks ago. He recently turned 34, an advanced age for a wide receiver. But Kennison keeps himself in good physical condition. His streak of two straight 1,000-yard seasons was ended last year, but that had more to do with problems elsewhere in the Chiefs’ passing game than with any drop-off in Kennison’s play. “I’m not going to let anybody else determine when I retire from this game,” he said. “I want to retire when I’m ready. And I’m not ready. “I’m better at taking care of myself: diet, exercise, doing the things that are right all the time. I’m not a guy that hangs out in the nightspots. I’m not a drinker. I keep finding ways to do things better. The workouts continue to get better for me. It makes things easier. That’s my whole deal.”
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04-13-2007, 09:06 AM	#32
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	Santana Moss was the first player chosen when Herm was head coach with the NYJ. Even though he was a mid first round pick, Herm didn't really use him much that rookie year. I wonder if the system was too complicated - I don't advocate focussing on positions in the draft, I much prefer the best player available approach. That being said, Herm's reasoning for not wanting a WR is disturbing. If they aren't likely to make an impact right away and need a season or two to get acclimated to the NFL, wouldn't you take one now while your QB is getting acclimated and they both hit their stride 2-3 years down the road? __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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04-13-2007, 09:07 AM	#33
chop Go Chiefs! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $884270	Herm does have apoint about the WR position not being an immediate impact type of player. I can't think of too many 1st round WR's that have done a whole lot in their first couple of years. Stallworth and Lelie come to mind as players the Chiefs fans wanted to draft. Stallworth was pretty good last year ( when healthy) but up until last year he was inconsistant. Lelie showed some flashes at times but he has done nothing. Roy Williams did a fair job his first year. WR in the first is a crap shoot. __________________ Never be satisfied with what you achieve, because it all pales in comparison with what you are capable of doing in the future.
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04-13-2007, 09:20 AM	#37
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8099900	Herm's WR's were superior to the Chiefs in all but one year from 2001 to 2005.
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04-13-2007, 09:34 AM	#39
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2275651	I know I am in the minority here, but I am excited about the direction this team is taking. I am excited that the players we drafted last season are going to get a chance to make an impact this season. And I really don't care which position we choose in which round in a couple of weeks. I don't think we are one player away from being a contender, and that we have many needs at many positions. A couple of more years of drafting the best football player available at that time in each round.... regardless of position.... is exactly what this team needs. Now, if only CP and Herm request that Gun take an extended 3 week vacation to the Bahamas starting tomorrow, I would feel better about us being able to identify the best football player available on defense.
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04-13-2007, 09:44 AM	#41
crazycoffey .......... Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $4147901	Justin Harrell at 23 isn't much of a reach, IMO. Harrell has a clean bill of health and was interviewed last night on path to the draft, seems to be a good kid, played through injury before surgery took him out the rest of the year..... I like a guy that will battle through pain, good character. they said with a clean bill of health he is quickly becoming a strong third place in the DT list and moving up to a possible first round pick.....
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04-13-2007, 09:53 AM	#43
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	I keep forgetting we have these 2 young WR. Webb is 6-2 and Hannon in 6-3. I say we give these guys a shot. Try to draft a DT, or maybe deal for Jenkins.
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04-13-2007, 10:04 AM	#44
Archie Bunker The Wait Is Over Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Random Small Town Casino cash: $-701022	After Calvin Johnson I really don't see much of difference between the WRs available in the late 1st and those available in 2nd-3rd rds. IMO CB might be the best value @ 23. Herm seems to have his young WRs already. We'll see if thats good or bad.
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04-13-2007, 10:08 AM	#45
DJJasonp My work speaks for itself!!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $-1904800	I think people are taking this story way too seriously...this is all pre-draft posturing to try to throw the mock-draft experts off from our true intentions. I agree with many others who have said...best available. __________________ Its easier to fool a man, than to convince a man he's been fooled.
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