Pick your all-time greatest Chiefs players, Part 1

**Rain Man** · 07-03-2005, 05:35 PM

As a fortissimo in my "Pick your all-time greatest..." series, we now come to the Chiefs.

As we all know, there have been many, many great Chiefs, and I can't pick just 25 for the poll, so we'll make it a democratic process. I'm going to post 10 polls that contain every Chiefs player who either a) was on the roster for five or more years, OR b) started for the Chiefs for at least two seasons.

I'm getting my information from the Chiefs' media guide, so don't pick on me if you think someone did or did not start in certain years. I'm just regurgitating the official information, and perhaps a worm or two.

In each of the upcoming ten polls (to be posted over the next couple of weeks, and working in alphabetical order), I'll ask you to pick the FIVE greatest players on that list. I'll then take the top five choices from each of those polls and develop a second round that contains only the top 50 players. We'll then narrow it down from there in a manner to be determined.

On each poll, I'll list the player's name, position, college, jersey number, years with the Chiefs, and years as a starter with the Chiefs.

Ready? Here's Poll #1.

**Rain Man** · 07-03-2005, 05:43 PM

As far as I know, this is the only poll in history that has included William Bartee and Bobby Bell as competing options.

Ultra Peanut · 07-03-2005, 05:50 PM

Go Kimble!

**luv** · 07-03-2005, 05:53 PM

Marcus Allen.

And this is my first post on an actual football thread.

milkman · 07-03-2005, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv2rite

Marcus Allen.

And this is my first post on an actual football thread.

So are you saying, from this list, Marcus is the greatest?

**luv** · 07-03-2005, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SideWinder

So are you saying, from this list, Marcus is the greatest?

See, I am a Chiefs fan. I love to watch football, and I do understand it, but I have little knowledge of player background, draft picks, training camp, etc. I have been reading the football threads and learning some as I go. I've been afraid to contribute anything in fear of looking as ignorant as I am...lol.

Long story short, of the ones I know on the list, I went with Marcus Allen. I almost went with Bobby Bell, but I do not know as much about him.

milkman · 07-03-2005, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv2rite

See, I am a Chiefs fan. I love to watch football, and I do understand it, but I have little knowledge of player background, draft picks, training camp, etc. I have been reading the football threads and learning some as I go. I've been afraid to contribute anything in fear of looking as ignorant as I am...lol.

Long story short, of the ones I know on the list, I went with Marcus Allen. I almost went with Bobby Bell, but I do not know as much about him.

I hope you didn't think I was ridiculing you.
I just wanted to clarify your position.

I am not a big fan of Marcus, but in all objectivity, I couldn't leave him off the list of 5 in this group.

You should have voted for Bobby Bell.
He is one of the 2 greatest ever.

milkman · 07-03-2005, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv2rite

Marcus Allen.

And this is my first post on an actual football thread.

Oh, and congrats!

Crush · 07-03-2005, 05:55 PM

Go J.J!!!

I still remember his 4th down TD catch in the Pittsburgh game.

Crush · 07-03-2005, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crush

Go J.J!!!

I still remember his 4th down TD catch in the Pittsburgh game.

That was Tim Barnett.

However, he did catch Montana's second TD pass in the Houston game. So Go J.J.!!!

**Rain Man** · 07-03-2005, 06:02 PM

Okay, I must make an argument for Gary Barbaro and John Alt here.

First, we have Gary Barbaro. He played with the Chiefs for seven years, and compiled 39 interceptions, or an average of more than 5 per year. He was a three-time pro bowler, and was a colossal hitter. In my opinion as an old-timer, he was the hardest-hitting safety to ever wear a Chiefs uniform. Sure, he broke our hearts by defecting to the USFL, but after 23 years I'm almost ready to forgive him. He definitely deserves consideration as a great Chief.

And as for John Alt, what can we say? The guy played 13 years in the league, all for the Chiefs. He was a two-time pro bowler, and would've gone to many more if Dan Marino's quick release hadn't caused many to overrate Richmond Webb. Here's what the Chiefs web site says about Mr. Alt as they introduced him to the Chiefs Hall of Fame.

"Monumental Minnesotan anchored Kansas City’s offensive line for 13 seasons from his left tackle post. The stoic standard-bearer by which all future Kansas City left tackles will be judged. Played a prodigious part in the resurgence of the Chiefs franchise in the ‘90s Š Jim Tyrer (180) was the only offensive lineman in team history to play in more games than Alt (179). Started 149 of those games and owns a share of a franchise record by making 10 career playoff appearances, including the ‘93 AFC Championship Game. Earned back-to-back Pro Bowl trips following the ‘92 and ‘93 seasons. An All-Pro pick in ‘90-91. A prolific pass protector, also helped Kansas City perennially produce some of the best rushing numbers in the ‘90s. The Chiefs led the NFL in rushing for the first time in team history in ‘95 and produced five top 10 finishes during his tenure. Wore jersey number 76. Was a first round draft choice out of Iowa in ‘84, the third offensive lineman selected overall. Born May 30, 1962 in Stuttgart, Germany."

Chieficus · 07-03-2005, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Okay, I must make an argument for Gary Barbaro and John Alt here.

Bell was the only one that truly stood out as "super-mega-great" on this list. Don't know a thing about Barbaro, but I gotta agree with you on Alt.

I only remember the end of his career right before Criswell stepped in, but I remember him being a stud...

After that there's Anders... Allen...

Then the list begins to drop...

**Rain Man** · 07-03-2005, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chieficus

Bell was the only one that truly stood out as "super-mega-great" on this list. Don't know a thing about Barbaro, but I gotta agree with you on Alt.

I only remember the end of his career right before Criswell stepped in, but I remember him being a stud...

After that there's Anders... Allen...

Then the list begins to drop...

Yeah, Bell's a no-brainer (sorry, luv2rite). I was just disappointed to not see Barbaro getting more votes since he was a great player, and I couldn't resist putting a plug in for Alt while I was at it. I worry more about those two not making the next round than I do Bell, who should be a lock.

**Dave Lane** · 07-03-2005, 06:16 PM

GEt Bartees name off there its insulting to Chiefs fans, you bol weevil in Dungver clothing!

Dave

**Rain Man** · 07-03-2005, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

GEt Bartees name off there its insulting to Chiefs fans, you bol weevil in Dungver clothing!

Dave

If you think that was bad, wait until I get to the E's. Everyone with five years or two starting years will be in the poll. Everyone.

View Poll Results: Pick the FIVE greatest Chiefs on this list (considering their Chiefs career ONLY!)
Adickes, Mark G 61 Baylor 1986-89 1986-89	0	0%
Aguiar, Louie P 5 Utah State 1994-98 1994-98*	15	18.99%
Alexander, Derrick WR 82 Michigan 1998-01 1998-01	0	0%
Allen, Marcus RB 32 Southern California 1993-97 1993-96	52	65.82%
Alt, John T 76 Iowa 1984-96 1987-96	55	69.62%
Anders, Kimble FB 38 Houston 1991-00 1993-98, 00	40	50.63%
Andersen, Morten K 8 Michigan State 2002-03 2002-03*	2	2.53%
Andrews, Billy LB 53 Southwest Louisiana 1976-77 1976-77	0	0%
Ane, Charlie C 56 Michigan State 1975-80	0	0%
Arbanas, Fred TE 84 Michigan State 1962-70 1962-70	38	48.10%
Arnold, Jim P 6 Vanderbilt 1983-85 1983-85*	1	1.27%
Arnold, Walt TE 87 New Mexico 1984-87 1985-86	0	0%
Bailey, Mark RB 39 Cal State Long Beach 1977-78 1977-78	0	0%
Baldinger, Rich T 77 Wake Forest 1983-92 1987-88, 90-92	1	1.27%
Barbaro, Gary S 26 Nicholls State 1976-82 1976-82	18	22.78%
Barber, Shawn LB 59 Richmond 2003 2003	0	0%
Barker, Bryan P 4 Santa Clara 1990-93 1990-93*	1	1.27%
Barndt, Tom DT/G 71 Pittsburgh 1996-99 1998-99	2	2.53%
Bartee, William CB 24 Oklahoma 2000-03 2002	7	8.86%
Baugh, Tom C 58 Southern Illinois 1986-88 1987-88	0	0%
Bayless, Martin S 21, 30 Bowling Green 1992-93, 95-96 1992-93	2	2.53%
Beckman, Ed TE 85 Florida State 1977-84 1983	0	0%
Bell, Bobby LB 78 Minnesota 1963-74 1963-74	69	87.34%
Bell, Mike DE 99 Colorado State 1979-85, 87-91 1981-85, 87-89	5	6.33%
Bennett, Donnell RB 30 Miami (Fla.) 1994-00 1998	3	3.80%
Birden, J.J. WR 88 Oregon 1990-94 1992-94	14	17.72%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

07-03-2005, 05:35 PM	Topic Starter
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-722449 VARSITY	Pick your all-time greatest Chiefs players, Part 1 As a fortissimo in my "Pick your all-time greatest..." series, we now come to the Chiefs. As we all know, there have been many, many great Chiefs, and I can't pick just 25 for the poll, so we'll make it a democratic process. I'm going to post 10 polls that contain every Chiefs player who either a) was on the roster for five or more years, OR b) started for the Chiefs for at least two seasons. I'm getting my information from the Chiefs' media guide, so don't pick on me if you think someone did or did not start in certain years. I'm just regurgitating the official information, and perhaps a worm or two. In each of the upcoming ten polls (to be posted over the next couple of weeks, and working in alphabetical order), I'll ask you to pick the FIVE greatest players on that list. I'll then take the top five choices from each of those polls and develop a second round that contains only the top 50 players. We'll then narrow it down from there in a manner to be determined. On each poll, I'll list the player's name, position, college, jersey number, years with the Chiefs, and years as a starter with the Chiefs. Ready? Here's Poll #1.
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07-03-2005, 05:43 PM	#2
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-722449 VARSITY	As far as I know, this is the only poll in history that has included William Bartee and Bobby Bell as competing options. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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Ultra Peanut v^V^v^V^v^V^ Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Holland* Casino cash: $10005177	Go Kimble! __________________
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07-03-2005, 05:53 PM	#4
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07-03-2005, 06:02 PM	#11
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-722449 VARSITY	Okay, I must make an argument for Gary Barbaro and John Alt here. First, we have Gary Barbaro. He played with the Chiefs for seven years, and compiled 39 interceptions, or an average of more than 5 per year. He was a three-time pro bowler, and was a colossal hitter. In my opinion as an old-timer, he was the hardest-hitting safety to ever wear a Chiefs uniform. Sure, he broke our hearts by defecting to the USFL, but after 23 years I'm almost ready to forgive him. He definitely deserves consideration as a great Chief. And as for John Alt, what can we say? The guy played 13 years in the league, all for the Chiefs. He was a two-time pro bowler, and would've gone to many more if Dan Marino's quick release hadn't caused many to overrate Richmond Webb. Here's what the Chiefs web site says about Mr. Alt as they introduced him to the Chiefs Hall of Fame. "Monumental Minnesotan anchored Kansas City’s offensive line for 13 seasons from his left tackle post. The stoic standard-bearer by which all future Kansas City left tackles will be judged. Played a prodigious part in the resurgence of the Chiefs franchise in the ‘90s Š Jim Tyrer (180) was the only offensive lineman in team history to play in more games than Alt (179). Started 149 of those games and owns a share of a franchise record by making 10 career playoff appearances, including the ‘93 AFC Championship Game. Earned back-to-back Pro Bowl trips following the ‘92 and ‘93 seasons. An All-Pro pick in ‘90-91. A prolific pass protector, also helped Kansas City perennially produce some of the best rushing numbers in the ‘90s. The Chiefs led the NFL in rushing for the first time in team history in ‘95 and produced five top 10 finishes during his tenure. Wore jersey number 76. Was a first round draft choice out of Iowa in ‘84, the third offensive lineman selected overall. Born May 30, 1962 in Stuttgart, Germany." __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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07-03-2005, 06:16 PM	#14
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