Why do we suck in 2007? Blame our drafts and King Carl. Evidence can't be denied.

**BigRedChief** · 10-08-2007, 10:15 AM

I agree with most everyone here that from the 2003 LJ/Jared Allen drafts we have been doing a good job with our drafts. But we are still suffing in 2007 because of these draft years between Tony G and LJ.

2002 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 6 Ryan Sims DT
2 43 Eddie Freeman DT
4 107 Omar Easy RB
5 143 Scott Fujita OLB
7 221 Maurice Rodriguez

2001 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
3 75 Eric Downing DT
3 77 Snoop Minnis WR
4 107 Monty Beisel DE
4 108 George LayneRB
5 141 Billy Baber TE
5 150 Derrick Blaylock RB
6 176 Alex Sulfsted T
7 212 Shaunard Harts DB
7 243 Terdell Sands DT

2000 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 21 Sylvester Morris WR
2 54 William Bartee CB
3 85 Greg Wesley SS
4 115 Frank Moreau RB
5 153 Dante Hall RB
5 162 Pat Dennis CB
6 188 Darnell Alford T
7 208 Desmond Kitchings WR

1999 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 14 John Tait T
2 54 Mike Cloud RB
3 75 Gary Stills LB
3 84 Larry Atkins DB
4 108 Larry Parker WR
7 220 Eric King --

1998 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 27 Victor Riley T
3 88 Rashaan Shehee RB
4 120 Greg Favors ILB
5 128 Robert Williams DB
6 181 Derrick Ransom DT
7 216 Eric Warfield DB
7 224 Ernest Blackwell

**BigRedChief** · 10-08-2007, 10:16 AM

I'm not going to even bother with Free Agents. JEEZZZ if King Carl has one good FA pick up I don't remember and in 17 years of picking up FA's seems I should remember one?

Deberg_1990 · 10-08-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I'm not going to even bother with Free Agents. JEEZZZ if King Carl has one good FA pick up I don't remember and in 17 years of picking up FA's seems I should remember one?

Ever heard of a guy named Priest Holmes??

hawkchief · 10-08-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Ever heard of a guy named Priest Holmes??

Whoopdy-freakin-doo. Carl's whiffs outnumber his hits by about 10 to 1. He's simply pathetic.

Dayze · 10-08-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by hawkchief

Whoopdy-freakin-doo. Carl's whiffs outnumber his hits by about 10 to 1. He's simply pathetic.

yup; exaclty.
Even a broken watch is correct twice per day.

**HemiEd** · 10-08-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Ever heard of a guy named Priest Holmes??

Beat me to it. But I think he might be talking about the undrafted free agents.

**BigRedChief** · 10-08-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Beat me to it. But I think he might be talking about the undrafted free agents.

Correct. How many of those undrafted free agents have the Pats/Indy got in the last few years? There is an obvious corelation. So, we have a handful in 17 years of trying? Thats good enough to keep your job?

Also if you rememeber right Priest was brought in to be a 3rd down back not the feature back. Tony Richardson was going to be the feature back.

**HemiEd** · 10-08-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Correct. How many of those undrafted free agents have the Pats/Indy got in the last few years? There is an obvious corelation. So, we have a handful in 17 years of trying? Thats good enough to keep your job?

Also if you rememeber right Priest was brought in to be a 3rd down back not the feature back. Tony Richardson was going to be the feature back.

Yep, we got lucky with Priest, but if you keep trying it should happen once in a while. I know I was really excited when we signed him, he was a proven commodity to me.
I think we may actually have a couple UDFAs on the roster now, that could could stick. Further evidence, Herm is the best talent evaluator this team has had since Marty.

Messier · 10-08-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I'm not going to even bother with Free Agents. JEEZZZ if King Carl has one good FA pick up I don't remember and in 17 years of picking up FA's seems I should remember one?

Well even if you disagree I'm going to list free agents that the Chiefs acquired directly from college, or within a year after they entered the NFL, that were starters and made major contributions to the team.

Eric Hicks
Tracy Simien
Lonnie Marts
Kimble Anders
Tony Richardson
Willie Davis
Vaughn Booker
Brian Waters

**BigRedChief** · 10-08-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Well even if you disagree I'm going to list free agents that the Chiefs acquired directly from college, or within a year after they entered the NFL, that were starters and made major contributions to the team.

Eric Hicks
Tracy Simien
Lonnie Marts
Kimble Anders
Tony Richardson
Willie Davis
Vaughn Booker
Brian Waters

There you go. 17 years of free agency pick ups and thats the best King Carl can do? 1 contributer every 2 years.

Wile_E_Coyote · 10-08-2007, 10:24 AM

This was discussed on some radio show. DV had control of the first day of the draft. The scouts had control of the second day.

Whether the people on the radio knew what they where talking about or just speculating is up for debate. But it makes good sense to me

Wile_E_Coyote · 10-08-2007, 10:28 AM

T-Rich was an undrafted FA. He may have had a cup of coffee with Dallas

Zouk · 10-08-2007, 10:32 AM

The team that Dick Vermeil left after 2005 had the least amount of good young talent of any team in the league.

LJ (and Dick didn't want him)
Jared Allen
Derrick Johnson

That's it. That is an amazingly empty cupboard. it's getting fixed now, but it won't happen overnight.

HolyHandgernade · 10-08-2007, 10:37 AM

Wasn't Willie Roaf a free agent pickup?

-HH

**HemiEd** · 10-08-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

Wasn't Willie Roaf a free agent pickup?

-HH

Trade, 3rd rounder IIRC.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-871038 VARSITY	Why do we suck in 2007? Blame our drafts and King Carl. Evidence can't be denied. I agree with most everyone here that from the 2003 LJ/Jared Allen drafts we have been doing a good job with our drafts. But we are still suffing in 2007 because of these draft years between Tony G and LJ. 2002 - Kansas City Chiefs Rd Sel # Player Position 1 6 Ryan Sims DT 2 43 Eddie Freeman DT 4 107 Omar Easy RB 5 143 Scott Fujita OLB 7 221 Maurice Rodriguez 2001 - Kansas City Chiefs Rd Sel # Player Position 3 75 Eric Downing DT 3 77 Snoop Minnis WR 4 107 Monty Beisel DE 4 108 George LayneRB 5 141 Billy Baber TE 5 150 Derrick Blaylock RB 6 176 Alex Sulfsted T 7 212 Shaunard Harts DB 7 243 Terdell Sands DT 2000 - Kansas City Chiefs Rd Sel # Player Position 1 21 Sylvester Morris WR 2 54 William Bartee CB 3 85 Greg Wesley SS 4 115 Frank Moreau RB 5 153 Dante Hall RB 5 162 Pat Dennis CB 6 188 Darnell Alford T 7 208 Desmond Kitchings WR 1999 - Kansas City Chiefs Rd Sel # Player Position 1 14 John Tait T 2 54 Mike Cloud RB 3 75 Gary Stills LB 3 84 Larry Atkins DB 4 108 Larry Parker WR 7 220 Eric King -- 1998 - Kansas City Chiefs Rd Sel # Player Position 1 27 Victor Riley T 3 88 Rashaan Shehee RB 4 120 Greg Favors ILB 5 128 Robert Williams DB 6 181 Derrick Ransom DT 7 216 Eric Warfield DB 7 224 Ernest Blackwell
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Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	This was discussed on some radio show. DV had control of the first day of the draft. The scouts had control of the second day. Whether the people on the radio knew what they where talking about or just speculating is up for debate. But it makes good sense to me
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Zouk Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: DC Casino cash: $10004900	The team that Dick Vermeil left after 2005 had the least amount of good young talent of any team in the league. LJ (and Dick didn't want him) Jared Allen Derrick Johnson That's it. That is an amazingly empty cupboard. it's getting fixed now, but it won't happen overnight.
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