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Old 03-01-2009, 08:37 PM   Topic Starter
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Gretz: Cassel Trade Still Causing Talk
Cassel Trade Still Causing Talk
March 1, 2009 - Bob Gretz |

Could the Patriots have had a first and third-round picks for Matt Cassel? Could they have had at least the No. 12 choice for the New England quarterback? Did the Broncos really offer to trade Jay Cutler if they could get Cassel?

The NFL was still bubbling with chatter about the deal between the Chiefs and Patriots that sent Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to Kansas City with a second-round draft choice heading to New England.

And if there are any truths to the stories being told around the league, then Saturday morning had to be a very interesting time for Bill Belichick and the Patriots.

Let’s see if we can weave all this together.

Everyone knew Friday that Vrabel was headed to the Chiefs. The fact he was in Kansas City for a physical was important because the linebacker apparently was bothered by a shoulder injury last season and some Boston media outlets have reported he needs surgery on that shoulder.

But while Vrabel was obviously important as far as the Chiefs and Scott Pioli were concerned, the rest of the league was not much interested in the veteran linebacker.

There was, however, interest in Cassel. But apparently, before Saturday there were not a lot of teams expressing that interest to the Patriots. Two factors may have held teams back: the $14.65 million franchise tag that Cassel carries and the fact that making a deal for the quarterback would require high draft choice compensation.

As the new NFL fiscal season started late Thursday evening, the Chiefs were the team standing at the counter, ready to place an order for Cassel. When nobody else showed up, Belilchick and Pioli put together the parameters of a deal.

That was in place Saturday morning. That’s when the rest of the league got wind of what the price tag was and suddenly, teams shifted into gear. Tampa Bay and Detroit reportedly were the two teams that expressed interest and they drew Denver into the situation.

Here’s what was going down, according to the NFL Network’s Adam Schefter: a three-team trade was proposed. Tampa Bay’s first round pick (No. 19) would go to New England. The Broncos would send Jay Cutler to the Bucs and the Patriots would send Cassel to Denver. Remember, former Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is now the head coach of the Broncos.

Apparently when that wouldn’t come together, the Broncos offered their first-round pick (No. 12) straight up for Cassel and the Buccaneers offered a first and third round picks.

If any of this is true, then why is Cassel in Kansas City and not Denver or Tampa Bay? There can only be one answer: the Patriots deal with the Chiefs was done, and Belichick wasn’t going to back out at the last minute. That might be true with anyone in his dealings with anyone, but it would especially be true of someone who is a friend and former colleague.

If the bubbling grapevine is even close to accurate, and we’ll never know because Belichick and Pioli won’t talk about what happened, then Cassel is with the Chiefs because Pioli was a step ahead of the rest of the league.
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Old 03-01-2009, 08:43 PM   #2
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lol if any of these deals are true the chiefs should flip cassel to the next highest bidder.
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Old 03-01-2009, 08:56 PM   #3
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lol if any of these deals are true the chiefs should flip cassel to the next highest bidder.
I understand this inclination, and seems to me to be how I would deal with the situation just knowing what I know.

But if the Chiefs were already decided that Cassel was "the guy" they had to have as their QB, and they weren't interested in just drafting whoever is left between Stafford/Sanchez...then why would they be willing to part with the QB they love so much for a 1st round pick? If they really think this guy can be the franchise, then nobody they draft in the the first and third rounds would be his equal. (In their minds.)
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Old 03-01-2009, 08:59 PM   #4
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I understand this inclination, and seems to me to be how I would deal with the situation just knowing what I know.

But if the Chiefs were already decided that Cassel was "the guy" they had to have as their QB, and they weren't interested in just drafting whoever is left between Stafford/Sanchez...then why would they be willing to part with the QB they love so much for a 1st round pick? If they really think this guy can be the franchise, then nobody they draft in the the first and third rounds would be his equal. (In their minds.)
That's what I think...

Pioli got his QB (who was clearly in demand), and kept his 3rd pick in the draft...

What's not to like about that?
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Old 03-01-2009, 11:12 PM   #5
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lol if any of these deals are true the chiefs should flip cassel to the next highest bidder.
I love it.. trade him for Cutler!
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I love it.. trade him for Cutler!
I would trade him in a heartbeat if someone would offer a 1st for him....

Wouldnt even second guess it...
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I would trade him in a heartbeat if someone would offer a 1st for him....

Wouldnt even second guess it...
This was a good deal. I don't want to get rid of him I have high hopes that he will be the QB here for many years.

That being said. No team would give up a 1st for him now. They'd say, you gave up a 2nd that's what we'll offer.
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Cassel is with the Chiefs because Pioli was a step ahead of the rest of the league.
i'm bettin' it was more like this.
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And one more point - when did Gretz become KC's most compelling columnist?
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And one more point - when did Gretz become KC's most compelling columnist?
Gretz is great for inside info on the Chiefs. Especially during last season, with updates on players who are practicing and the like, plus he gave pretty good info on the games. His articles are normally just a bunch of crap though....
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I can think of someone who would love nothing more than to see this deal go south, forcing us into drafting Sanchez in the first round. Who looks like the Crypt Keeper. Whose first initial is Mecca.
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I can think of someone who would love nothing more than to see this deal go south, forcing us into drafting Sanchez in the first round. Who looks like the Crypt Keeper. Whose first initial is Mecca.
I don't believe mecca likes Sanchez's upside any more than me.

I'd have been dancing if this deal had somehow fell through.
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I don't believe mecca likes Sanchez's upside any more than me.

I'd have been dancing if this deal had somehow fell through.
This....
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Other than Brady being drafted by the Pats, who has ever traded a 1st day pick for a 7th round QB and won a championship?

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I don't believe mecca likes Sanchez's upside any more than me.

I'd have been dancing if this deal had somehow fell through.

And The Fourteen continue to twist painfully in the wind...
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And The Fourteen continue to twist painfully in the wind...
Your right, it was a crushing blow...

It wasnt ideal by any means, but hey, this franchise actually thought Herm was a NFL level coach... So that tells us something...
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