Chiefs Chiefs sticking with spread offense?

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 08:55 AM

I am sick of talking about Hali and DJ fitting into the 3-4 and whether the Chiefs are going to draft an ILB, a RT or an injured WR.... so, why not bring up something that will make Mecca's head explode.

First, I am not saying the Chiefs will use the spread offense as extensively as they did last year.

However, if you watched the Cards under Haley last year, they used a ton of the spread.

And, if you watched the Pats, Cassel played his best from the shotgun in the spread offense.

For those of you who don't think the spread has much of a future in the NFL... much of what the Pats have run over the last two years has been based on the spread.

In fact, after further examination, I think Cassel and Thigpen's playing style is more similar than it is different. Cassel is clearly more polished and tended to make quicker better reads, and of course is two inches taller.

But, he was more comfortable in the shotgun, similar to Thigpen. He is also a scrambler, similar to Thigpen. And, he was the most comfortable using the spread formation, simialr to Thigpen.

Could the Chiefs have picked him up BECAUSE he will make a good spread QB?

Gailey and Haley are very similar in that they will not force the issue, they will do what their players do best. I think the spread will be a large part of the offensive package utilized in KC.

What I don't know is why the 'spread' has such a negative conotation. Teams have used versions of this in the NFL for a long time.

I have even come up with a name for the offense that I think we will see this year, the 'West Coast Spread'. I believe they will combine many of the pilosophies of the west coast sytem: Larger receivers, shorter passes, slants, etc. I think they will be a primarily zone running team. And, finally, I think that Cassel will see a larger part of the time in the shotgun spread formation.

Now, that I have laid out what I think will happen..... based on nothing more than what I think the talent on the team will be good at as well as what the coaches have done in the past.... you guys can flame me.

Yes... this is a stab in the dark. No, I am not an insider. But, frankly, I would rather get flamed on something new and interesting than continue to argue whether Hali can be an OLB or whether positional value should outweigh actual player evaluation.

Brock · 03-10-2009, 08:57 AM

There isn't anything wrong with "the spread", unless that's all you can do. It's great between the 20s.

smittysbar · 03-10-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

There isn't anything wrong with "the spread", unless that's all you can do. It's great between the 20s.

Yep

Reerun_KC · 03-10-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

There isn't anything wrong with "the spread", unless that's all you can do. It's great between the 20s.

I will just take a stab in the dark here, but I am assuming since we didnt have a QB that could line up under center, our redzone offense blew balls...

Also our patiented predictable fade pass always kept defenses honest...

Reerun_KC · 03-10-2009, 09:03 AM

Sure if then never want to win anything meaningful...

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Sure if then never want to win anything meaningful...

This is what I was expecting... thanks for not letting me down rerun.

kcbubb · 03-10-2009, 09:16 AM

the spread offense means different things to different people. if you watch a lot of college football, the spread is used very often with the option. I would consider a team like the Florida Gators a running option team. They have a balanced offense with run and pass. But the Gators version of the spread is obviously very different than what the Chiefs ran last year, but they both seem to follow under the same name of spread offense.

I think a lot of the hatred of the spread comes from people thinking of the option and the amount of hits the QB takes in that type of offense. A QB can't take that many hits in the pro game. Option QBs have not been successful in the NFL, at least at QB, some have made pretty good receivers.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

the spread offense means different things to different people. if you watch a lot of college football, the spread is used very often with the option. I would consider a team like the Florida Gators a running option team. They have a balanced offense with run and pass. But the Gators version of the spread is obviously very different than what the Chiefs ran last year, but they both seem to follow under the same name of spread offense.

I think a lot of the hatred of the spread comes from people thinking of the option and the amount of hits the QB takes in that type of offense. A QB can't take that many hits in the pro game. Option QBs have not been successful in the NFL, at least at QB, some have made pretty good receivers.

The wildcat offense, which the Chiefs had their own version of even in training camp, is very similar to the spread option and can be effective as a situational offense.

I just think it is funny that so many people who are so annoyed at Herm being 'conservative' are also closed minded about what they consider to be 'gimmick' offenses.

The Chiefs clearly need to be able to load up and pound the ball when necessary, but the spread is going to be here for a while in my estimation.

EyePod · 03-10-2009, 09:19 AM

I'm not sick of talking about defense. The problem with last year wasn't the spread, it was our defense.

RustShack · 03-10-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

I'm not sick of talking about defense. The problem with last year wasn't the spread, it was our defense.

It was both... and ST's.

smittysbar · 03-10-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

It was both... and ST's.

This

CrazyHorse · 03-10-2009, 09:22 AM

All offenses are better between the 20s

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

All offenses are better between the 20s

True, but you do have to admit that a team that uses the spread will have a harder time 'punching' it in at times.

But, the Cards had a good red zone offense and they used the spread quite a bit down there.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-10-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

True, but you do have to admit that a team that uses the spread will have a harder time 'punching' it in at times.

But, the Cards had a good red zone offense and they used the spread quite a bit down there.

When you have a SB MVP at QB, and 2 all-world WR's, you have the ability to buck the trend. Both the Cards and Patriots have those things.

We don't have the talent to run the spread in the redzone.

CrazyHorse · 03-10-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

True, but you do have to admit that a team that uses the spread will have a harder time 'punching' it in at times.

But, the Cards had a good red zone offense and they used the spread quite a bit down there.

Not really. In a sense it's tougher because most teams once inside the 10 run the football. It would be more difficult to run in the shotgun than directly behind center.

However, passing the ball would be easier in a passing situation from the shotgun inside the 20 or the 10.

That said, I dont see the shotgun fromation and the spread offense as the same thing. the shotgun doesn't have to be run from a spread formation.

03-10-2009, 08:55 AM	Topic Starter
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Chiefs sticking with spread offense? I am sick of talking about Hali and DJ fitting into the 3-4 and whether the Chiefs are going to draft an ILB, a RT or an injured WR.... so, why not bring up something that will make Mecca's head explode. First, I am not saying the Chiefs will use the spread offense as extensively as they did last year. However, if you watched the Cards under Haley last year, they used a ton of the spread. And, if you watched the Pats, Cassel played his best from the shotgun in the spread offense. For those of you who don't think the spread has much of a future in the NFL... much of what the Pats have run over the last two years has been based on the spread. In fact, after further examination, I think Cassel and Thigpen's playing style is more similar than it is different. Cassel is clearly more polished and tended to make quicker better reads, and of course is two inches taller. But, he was more comfortable in the shotgun, similar to Thigpen. He is also a scrambler, similar to Thigpen. And, he was the most comfortable using the spread formation, simialr to Thigpen. Could the Chiefs have picked him up BECAUSE he will make a good spread QB? Gailey and Haley are very similar in that they will not force the issue, they will do what their players do best. I think the spread will be a large part of the offensive package utilized in KC. What I don't know is why the 'spread' has such a negative conotation. Teams have used versions of this in the NFL for a long time. I have even come up with a name for the offense that I think we will see this year, the 'West Coast Spread'. I believe they will combine many of the pilosophies of the west coast sytem: Larger receivers, shorter passes, slants, etc. I think they will be a primarily zone running team. And, finally, I think that Cassel will see a larger part of the time in the shotgun spread formation. Now, that I have laid out what I think will happen..... based on nothing more than what I think the talent on the team will be good at as well as what the coaches have done in the past.... you guys can flame me. Yes... this is a stab in the dark. No, I am not an insider. But, frankly, I would rather get flamed on something new and interesting than continue to argue whether Hali can be an OLB or whether positional value should outweigh actual player evaluation.
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03-10-2009, 09:16 AM	#7
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $4936719	the spread offense means different things to different people. if you watch a lot of college football, the spread is used very often with the option. I would consider a team like the Florida Gators a running option team. They have a balanced offense with run and pass. But the Gators version of the spread is obviously very different than what the Chiefs ran last year, but they both seem to follow under the same name of spread offense. I think a lot of the hatred of the spread comes from people thinking of the option and the amount of hits the QB takes in that type of offense. A QB can't take that many hits in the pro game. Option QBs have not been successful in the NFL, at least at QB, some have made pretty good receivers.
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03-10-2009, 09:19 AM	#9
EyePod Forgetting 2013 season end. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Around Casino cash: $9995735	I'm not sick of talking about defense. The problem with last year wasn't the spread, it was our defense. __________________ I did not believe in Mahomes until week 1. I've been woke ever since. I'm on board this freight train.
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CrazyHorse All Motor! Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	All offenses are better between the 20s
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