Mayock: Skins Could Take T. Williams

Archie Bunker · 04-08-2010, 09:30 AM

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/07/will...ector-at-no-4/

Williams could be McNabb’s protector at No. 4
Posted: April 7th, 2010 | Mike Mayock

I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about the effect the Donovan McNabb trade will have on the draft, and the more I think about it the more I believe the Redskins will be a factor in the NFC East. They have a veteran quarterback now and they’re going to draft a left tackle with pick No. 4. And keep in mind, they could have a choice between Oklahoma State’s Russell Okung and Oklahoma’s Trent Williams, the two top tackles in the entire draft.

If so, they could go with Williams, even though he is generally regarded as the No. 2 left tackle behind Okung. Williams fits Washington’s scheme better. He’s a little bit more athletic for the Redskins’ zone-blocking scheme. I think Williams makes more sense for the Redskins at pick No. 4.

The other McNabb effect is on the quarterback situation with Jimmy Clausen, whose pro day I will be at on Friday in South Bend. He had a shot at going to the Redskins before the McNabb trade, but not anymore. The medicals and how he is evaluated off the field will go a long way in determining if he is going to be a top-10 pick.

Mr. Laz · 04-08-2010, 09:46 AM

that could switch stuff up ... Okung,Clausen and Berry all there when we pick at 5

**The Franchise** · 04-08-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

that could switch stuff up ... Okung,Clausen and Berry all there when we pick at 5

If we pick Okung over those 2......

Archie Bunker · 04-08-2010, 10:20 AM

Maybe if Okung is available we could get the Bills and Seahawks to bid against each other for him.

Pick up a 3rd or 4th to move down one with Seattle and still take Berry/Clausen.

Mr. Laz · 04-08-2010, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

Maybe if Okung is available we could get the Bills and Seahawks to bid against each other for him.

Pick up a 3rd or 4th to move down one with Seattle and still take Berry/Clausen.

hehe ... hopefully

Sfeihc · 04-08-2010, 10:26 AM

I think Pioli is going to take Dan Williams. He believes in Cassel and to be honest the poor guy didn't have a chance last season with that offense until they made JC a starter.(Clausen eliminated) Pioli can't bring himself to take a S at 5.(Bye, Bye Berry) Okung won't last past #4 & the Skins. NT is the biggest need on the roster. So Dan Williams it is.

My mock top 5 as of today;
Lambs-Bradford
Lions-Suh
TB-McCoy
Skins-Okung
KC-D. Williams

Coogs · 04-08-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc

He believes in Cassel and to be honest the poor guy didn't have a chance last season with that offense until they made JC a starter

That's all good until you understand Cassel got worse with JC as a starter.

Pioli, Haley, and Weis all have access to that info.

**The Franchise** · 04-08-2010, 10:38 AM

Why did Cassel's play get worse after Charles started?

Hootie · 04-08-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Why did Cassel's play get worse after Charles started?

what a myth that is...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-08-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

what a myth that is...

Yeah, some myth.

The only stat that Cassel improved on is his yards per game. Everything else was worse, and the important statistics were much worse.

First 7 games

56% completion
179 yards per game
10 TD's
5 INT's
77.1 QB rating

Last 8 games

54% completion
208 yards per game
6 TD's
11 INT's
63.7 QB rating

Yep, it's a myth...

Hootie · 04-08-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, some myth.

The only stat that Cassel improved on is his yards per game. Everything else was worse, and the important statistics were much worse.

First 7 games

56% completion
179 yards per game
10 TD's
5 INT's
77.1 QB rating

Last 8 games

54% completion
208 yards per game
6 TD's
11 INT's
63.7 QB rating

Yep, it's a myth...

You can play the stat game all you want...

I was slightly happier with Cassel over the last part of the season opposed to the beginning of the year...and that probably has everything to do with Charles.

The funny thing is...I could careless about Cassel but the same people who present this case are the same people who were bashing Cassel from the get go and saying stats don't paint a picture when he had those 10 TD's and 5 INT's...

Can't have it both ways pseudo-super fan!

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-08-2010, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

You can play the stat game all you want...

I was slightly happier with Cassel over the last part of the season opposed to the beginning of the year...and that probably has everything to do with Charles.

The funny thing is...I could careless about Cassel but the same people who present this case are the same people who were bashing Cassel from the get go and saying stats don't paint a picture when he had those 10 TD's and 5 INT's...

Can't have it both ways pseudo-super fan!

And I guess you can play the "ignoring the facts because they butcher your argument" game all you want.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-08-2010, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

You can play the stat game all you want...

I was slightly happier with Cassel over the last part of the season opposed to the beginning of the year...and that probably has everything to do with Charles.

The funny thing is...I could careless about Cassel but the same people who present this case are the same people who were bashing Cassel from the get go and saying stats don't paint a picture when he had those 10 TD's and 5 INT's...

Can't have it both ways pseudo-super fan!

Are you telling us that despite his piss-poor QB rating against Denver (14.1) and the next week against Buffalo (35.4), you felt he played better?

You drink too much during the games or you just aren't watching the same team as the rest of us on Sundays.

Hell, even at Denver, his rating was 68.

Ralphy Boy · 04-08-2010, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, some myth.

The only stat that Cassel improved on is his yards per game. Everything else was worse, and the important statistics were much worse.

First 7 games

56% completion
179 yards per game
10 TD's
5 INT's
77.1 QB rating

Last 8 games

54% completion
208 yards per game
6 TD's
11 INT's
63.7 QB rating

Yep, it's a myth...

Break the season into quarters and it doesn't look so bad. Oh wait, yes it does. I'm talking about breaking the season into quarters, not each quarter of the game.
1st quarter (3) 59.6%, 5 TD/2 INT 89.8 QB rating
2nd quarter (4) 52.9%, 5 TD/3 INT 70.6 QB rating
3rd quarter (4) 50.8%, 3 TD/4 INT 63.1 QB rating
4th quarter (4) 57.6%, 3 TD/7 INT 64.7 QB rating.

Hey look at that, his completion % and QB rating got better from 3rd to 4th quarter.

Reaching for hope? Cassel had a better completion % than Manning & Brady in 2009 on passes that were thrown over 40 yards, completing 42.9% while Brady had 21.4% and Manning had no passes completed over 40.

That is passes THROWN over 40, not that a receiver didn't catch a 15 yard slant and take it 40+.

Sad part? Cassel was 12% on passes from 21-30 yards. Manning was 34.4% and Brady 32%.

QB rating for Cassel by distance thrown:
Behind LOS 80.2
1-10 yards 76.2
11-20 58.9
21-30 7.9
31-40 105.4
41+ 89.9

Pretty sure that he has to be in the bottom of the league on 21-30 and right near the top in his 7 passes thrown 31-40 & on 7 thrown 41+.
Brees was 140.0 on 9 passes thrown 31-40 and 63.7 on 9 thrown 41+
Manning was 60.8 on 24 passes thrown 31-40 & 39.6 on 2 thrown 41+
Brady was 58.0 on 12 passes thrown 31-40 & 75.0 on 14 thrown 41+.

The question I pose is, would having a big target help improve those 21-30 yard passes?

Nightfyre · 04-08-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

Break the season into quarters and it doesn't look so bad. Oh wait, yes it does. I'm talking about breaking the season into quarters, not each quarter of the game.
1st quarter (3) 59.6%, 5 TD/2 INT 89.8 QB rating
2nd quarter (4) 52.9%, 5 TD/3 INT 70.6 QB rating
3rd quarter (4) 50.8%, 3 TD/4 INT 63.1 QB rating
4th quarter (4) 57.6%, 3 TD/7 INT 64.7 QB rating.

Hey look at that, his completion % and QB rating got better from 3rd to 4th quarter.

Reaching for hope? Cassel had a better completion % than Manning & Brady in 2009 on passes that were thrown over 40 yards, completing 42.9% while Brady had 21.4% and Manning had no passes completed over 40.

That is passes THROWN over 40, not that a receiver didn't catch a 15 yard slant and take it 40+.

Sad part? Cassel was 12% on passes from 21-30 yards. Manning was 34.4% and Brady 32%.

QB rating for Cassel by distance thrown:
Behind LOS 80.2
1-10 yards 76.2
11-20 58.9
21-30 7.9
31-40 105.4
41+ 89.9

Pretty sure that he has to be in the bottom of the league on 21-30 and right near the top in his 7 passes thrown 31-40 & on 7 thrown 41+.
Brees was 140.0 on 9 passes thrown 31-40 and 63.7 on 9 thrown 41+
Manning was 60.8 on 24 passes thrown 31-40 & 39.6 on 2 thrown 41+
Brady was 58.0 on 12 passes thrown 31-40 & 75.0 on 14 thrown 41+.

The question I pose is, would having a big target help improve those 21-30 yard passes?

Think about it a little further. The sample size for all the qbs is tiny. So he completed like 4 passes over 30 yards. Maybe we should analyze those plays before jumping to conclusions based on extrapolation of a tiny sample size. Chances are, it had little to do with cassel's capability and far more to do with circumstance. I'm sure gochiefs can accomodate posting these plays?
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Archie Bunker The Wait Is Over Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Random Small Town Casino cash: $-701022	Mayock: Skins Could Take T. Williams http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/07/will...ector-at-no-4/ Williams could be McNabb’s protector at No. 4 Posted: April 7th, 2010 \| Mike Mayock I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about the effect the Donovan McNabb trade will have on the draft, and the more I think about it the more I believe the Redskins will be a factor in the NFC East. They have a veteran quarterback now and they’re going to draft a left tackle with pick No. 4. And keep in mind, they could have a choice between Oklahoma State’s Russell Okung and Oklahoma’s Trent Williams, the two top tackles in the entire draft. If so, they could go with Williams, even though he is generally regarded as the No. 2 left tackle behind Okung. Williams fits Washington’s scheme better. He’s a little bit more athletic for the Redskins’ zone-blocking scheme. I think Williams makes more sense for the Redskins at pick No. 4. The other McNabb effect is on the quarterback situation with Jimmy Clausen, whose pro day I will be at on Friday in South Bend. He had a shot at going to the Redskins before the McNabb trade, but not anymore. The medicals and how he is evaluated off the field will go a long way in determining if he is going to be a top-10 pick.
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Sfeihc It's All Good Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $10010133	I think Pioli is going to take Dan Williams. He believes in Cassel and to be honest the poor guy didn't have a chance last season with that offense until they made JC a starter.(Clausen eliminated) Pioli can't bring himself to take a S at 5.(Bye, Bye Berry) Okung won't last past #4 & the Skins. NT is the biggest need on the roster. So Dan Williams it is. My mock top 5 as of today; Lambs-Bradford Lions-Suh TB-McCoy Skins-Okung KC-D. Williams
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Archie Bunker The Wait Is Over Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Random Small Town Casino cash: $-701022	Maybe if Okung is available we could get the Bills and Seahawks to bid against each other for him. Pick up a 3rd or 4th to move down one with Seattle and still take Berry/Clausen.
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