Chiefs Bob Sutton

milkman · 05-07-2014, 08:32 AM

I have asked this in threads before, and I get no legitimate response, so I am going to start this thread.

Over and over, and over again, people keep saying that Sutton made no adjustments, and is responsible for the failures of this defense.

I have no dog in this, but I want to know, what exactly do you think he could do?

This defense was playing spectacularly for the first 5-6 games, but then Buffalo, Houston and the Donkeys had enough film to recognize that they could exploit the deep zones because Kendrick Lewis was almost always in the wrong place, and they adjusted their game plans to take full advantage.

Sutton tried to counter that by moving the corners off the line, which allowed offenses to exploit the short passing game and minimize the pass rush, which was also affected by the loss of Houston to injury, and a less than 100% Hali.

The one critisism that is completely valid is that Sutton did not utilize a rotaion on the line that kept Poe fresh, and he was not the same player for the 2nd half of the season that he was for the first half, because he was just worn out.

So, again, I ask, given the limitations of the talent, what exactly did you expect Sutton to do?

KC native · 05-07-2014, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

So, again, I ask, given the limitations of the talent, what exactly did you expect Sutton to do?

to make the defense not suck.

htismaqe · 05-07-2014, 08:34 AM

Perhaps he didn't rotate Poe because the guys behind him are crap.

This team has no depth.

Simply Red · 05-07-2014, 08:36 AM

Having Jeff Linkenbach on the field will rest our D.

GO CHIEFS!!!!

**RealSNR** · 05-07-2014, 08:38 AM

It's quite simple.

Replace Kendrick Lewis.

KC native · 05-07-2014, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KC native

to make the defense not suck.

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Originally Posted by SNR

It's quite simple.

Replace Kendrick Lewis.

Q

milkman · 05-07-2014, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

It's quite simple.

Replace Kendrick Lewis.

That's the first order of business, but it isn't quite that simple.

We need an ILB alongside DJ who isn't absolutely useless in pass coverage, and more pressure from at least 1 of the DEs.

That ILB, though, would really allow Sutton, if he does have the chops, to really maximize Berry's versatility.

**Bowser** · 05-07-2014, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That's the first order of business, but it isn't quite that simple.

We need an ILB alongside DJ who isn't absolutely useless in pass coverage, and more pressure from at least 1 of the DEs.

That ILB, though, would really allow Sutton, if he does have the chops, to really maximize Berry's versatility.

I agree. While I have been wanting us to take either a receiver or safety tomorrow, I would feel pretty good if we snatched up Kyle Van Noy. He can be your other ILB, even if he can play outside. The guy really is that talented.

**RealSNR** · 05-07-2014, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

I agree. While I have been wanting us to take either a receiver or safety tomorrow, I would feel pretty good if we snatched up Kyle Van Noy. He can be your other ILB, even if he can play outside. The guy really is that talented.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

Simply Red · 05-07-2014, 08:49 AM

I'm cooling it w/ my insider posts.

I never get comments on my fresh football mind.

You all can screw off! I'm bumping the Fried Chicken thread!

**Bowser** · 05-07-2014, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

Scary, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by BCD

I believe Hilton began torching the D when Flowers went out.

Right?

Absolutely he did. I was mad when he kept putting Dunta on him. Play some off coverage with deep help on the guy that has burned you for 200 yards and 2 TDs in a quarter, perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

I'm cooling it w/ my insider posts.

I never get comments on my fresh football mind.

You all can screw off! I'm bumping the Fried Chicken thread!

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**RealSNR** · 05-07-2014, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

I'm cooling it w/ my insider posts.

I never get comments on my fresh football mind.

You all can screw off! I'm bumping the Fried Chicken thread!

Don't do that. You've got a vision nobody else has. Were you not right about Knile Davis?

Also, a time will come this season when you will gloat bukkake over everybody for seeing a legend being born before everybody else:

Chas Alecxih

**RealSNR** · 05-07-2014, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That's the first order of business, but it isn't quite that simple.

We need an ILB alongside DJ who isn't absolutely useless in pass coverage, and more pressure from at least 1 of the DEs.

That ILB, though, would really allow Sutton, if he does have the chops, to really maximize Berry's versatility.

Right, but I'm talking about last year.

If Lewis were benched, and Abdullah replaced him as teams like Houston and Buffalo started to figure us out, I'll bet Sutton never would have played the corners off the line, and we could actually press the shit out of Denver's receivers successfully.

I still don't know if the Indy game would have had the same result, but it at least would have deflected so much fan criticism away from Sutton. You wouldn't see such an abysmal product on the field for the second half of the year.

People are on my ass about this, but if we trade down from 23, Kyle Van Noy should absolutely be a consideration, where he can be the primary backup to Hali and the starter at ILB next to DJ when he's not. He would provide interior pressure and coverage skills that Mays, Jordan, and Belcher never had.

milkman · 05-07-2014, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

I agree. While I have been wanting us to take either a receiver or safety tomorrow, I would feel pretty good if we snatched up Kyle Van Noy. He can be your other ILB, even if he can play outside. The guy really is that talented.

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Originally Posted by SNR

Right, but I'm talking about last year.

If Lewis were benched, and Abdullah replaced him as teams like Houston and Buffalo started to figure us out, I'll bet Sutton never would have played the corners off the line, and we could actually press the shit out of Denver's receivers successfully.

I still don't know if the Indy game would have had the same result, but it at least would have deflected so much fan criticism away from Sutton. You wouldn't see such an abysmal product on the field for the second half of the year.

People are on my ass about this, but if we trade down from 23, Kyle Van Noy should absolutely be a consideration, where he can be the primary backup to Hali and the starter at ILB next to DJ when he's not. He would provide interior pressure and coverage skills that Mays, Jordan, and Belcher never had.

I'm really torn on this.

I keep going back and forth between Jimmy Ward and Kyle Van Noy, but I think I've settled on Ward, and finding that ILB in the 3rd.

**Bowser** · 05-07-2014, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'm really torn on this.

I keep going back and forth between Jimmy Ward and Kyle Van Noy, but I think I've settled on Ward, and finding that ILB in the 3rd.

I really haven't studied linebacker depth much, other than to listen to the talking heads say that LB depth isn't all that great this year. Anyone you've got your eye on?

05-07-2014, 08:32 AM	Topic Starter
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Bob Sutton I have asked this in threads before, and I get no legitimate response, so I am going to start this thread. Over and over, and over again, people keep saying that Sutton made no adjustments, and is responsible for the failures of this defense. I have no dog in this, but I want to know, what exactly do you think he could do? This defense was playing spectacularly for the first 5-6 games, but then Buffalo, Houston and the Donkeys had enough film to recognize that they could exploit the deep zones because Kendrick Lewis was almost always in the wrong place, and they adjusted their game plans to take full advantage. Sutton tried to counter that by moving the corners off the line, which allowed offenses to exploit the short passing game and minimize the pass rush, which was also affected by the loss of Houston to injury, and a less than 100% Hali. The one critisism that is completely valid is that Sutton did not utilize a rotaion on the line that kept Poe fresh, and he was not the same player for the 2nd half of the season that he was for the first half, because he was just worn out. So, again, I ask, given the limitations of the talent, what exactly did you expect Sutton to do?
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05-07-2014, 08:34 AM	#3
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8069900	Perhaps he didn't rotate Poe because the guys behind him are crap. This team has no depth.
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05-07-2014, 08:36 AM	#4
Simply Red You Sweetie! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021206219 VARSITY	Having Jeff Linkenbach on the field will rest our D. GO CHIEFS!!!!
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05-07-2014, 08:38 AM	#5
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1614792	It's quite simple. Replace Kendrick Lewis.
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05-07-2014, 08:49 AM	#10
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