Chiefs Hypothetical Part 2: Equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II.

**Rain Man** · 11-23-2018, 12:46 PM

Hypothetical Part 2: Equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II.

This is the second poll in a six-part series.

Okay, we're not trading our franchise quarterback. Let's make that clear.

But if other teams were making us good-faith trade offers, what would be a fair offer? I've done the following to make some estimated trade packages, using the following algorithms.

I went to the NFL Network Top 100 players of last year. Recognizing that it includes some old declining players and at least one player who can't walk very well, and recognizing that Patrick Mahomes II is a young franchise quarterback, I'm assuming that Patrick Mahomes II is worth more than any player on the list, and generally worth much more.

If a team had three players on the list, I packaged those three players into an offer.

If a team had two players on the list, I added their 1st round pick from 2018.

If a team had one or zero players on the list, I packaged future 1st round picks so that the Chiefs would get three players in total.

If a team had more than three players on the list, I put together packages that added players in different scenarios until all of their top 100 players were included in a package.

By doing this, I came up with 60 total trade offers. I'll put them up in groups of 10, and your job is to assess whether or not it would be an equal or greater value than our own Patrick Mahomes II.

Important rule: Don't consider this poll as indicating that you would ACCEPT such a trade offer. Because trading Patrick Mahomes II would be insane. Just tell us whether you think those players would add equivalent value to the franchise.

Here are your second ten scenarios.

**Rain Man** · 11-23-2018, 12:49 PM

I have to point out that the Broncos and Raiders offers make me laugh. Those are their best players according to NFL Network and recent draft history.

**Rain Man** · 11-23-2018, 12:52 PM

For the second time in these polls so far, none of them rise to an equivalent trade value for Patrick Mahomes II, and to be hones, none of them are even close. I'd laugh at every one of these offers.

I also can't decide which one of these would be the best offer. Maybe the Bears?

St. Patty's Fire · 11-23-2018, 12:53 PM

I’d change my vote to the last option

None of these trade offers even make me pause

NJChiefsFan · 11-23-2018, 12:54 PM

Rodgers has enough time left that if they had a great 3rd option, like say Darnold, it would be up there with the Rams trade. Since it's just Graham though I still see the Rams as the only one that is balanced in the spirit of this poll.

In reality though any drop off at QB is not worth it in the NFL.

**Rain Man** · 11-23-2018, 12:57 PM

I'm fascinated by this because it appears that few teams could make a viable offer for Patrick Mahomes II even if they packaged their best three players/prospects. We'll see what happens in the later scenarios when some teams ramp up their offers.

NJChiefsFan · 11-23-2018, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm fascinated by this because it appears that few teams could make a viable offer for Patrick Mahomes II even if they packaged their best three players/prospects. We'll see what happens in the later scenarios when some teams ramp up their offers.

It's also not just about Patrick's skills. It's the age and position. If Brady, Brees, and Rodgers were all the same age as Patrick a number of other trades look fair.

**Rain Man** · 11-23-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

It's also not just about Patrick's skills. It's the age and position. If Brady, Brees, and Rodgers were all the same age as Patrick a number of other trades look fair.

Yeah, that's what I think is fun. There are certainly some great players on the list, and also Case Keenum, but Patrick Mahomes II is better objectively, and he's at the most important position, and he's got the longest probable career. He's the Hope Diamond of football players.

TLO · 11-23-2018, 01:38 PM

No. Just no.

**Buehler445** · 11-23-2018, 01:40 PM

Again, being a long suffering fan. No. No.

**Easy 6** · 11-23-2018, 01:55 PM

Hoover · 11-23-2018, 01:57 PM

fun topic - but I'd keep Mahomes over any of that. He's too much fun. Too good. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the show.

KChiefs1 · 11-23-2018, 02:24 PM

The Rams offer is the “ONLY” one I’d consider & I don’t think I’d pull the trigger on it either.

**Rain Man** · 11-23-2018, 02:46 PM

I think one of our resident Broncos fans has cast their vote.

BigBeauford · 11-23-2018, 03:09 PM

I could live with the browns one; cant help but feel that another draft pick would be necesary. It is amazing to think what the Redskins gave up for RGIII, compared to what we did for Mahomes.

View Poll Results: These packages reflect good trade value for P. Mahomes II. (Check all that apply.)
Panthers - Luke Kuechly + Cam Newton + Thomas Davis	0	0%
Bears - Kahlil Mack + Roquan Smith + 2019 1st Round	1	2.13%
Chargers - Joey Bosa + Keenan Allen + Phillip Rivers	0	0%
Jets - Sam Darnold + 2019 1st Round + 2020 1st Round	0	0%
Raiders - Derek Carr + Kolton Miller + 2019 1st Round	0	0%
Browns - Jarvis Landry + Baker Mayfield + Denzel Ward	1	2.13%
Titans - Jurrell Casey + Delanie Walker + Taylor Lewan	0	0%
Seahawks - Russell Wilson + Bobby Wagner + Earl Thomas	2	4.26%
Broncos - Von Miller + Case Keenum + Chris Harris, Jr.	1	2.13%
Packers - Aaron Rodgers + Davante Adams + Jimmy Graham	2	4.26%
None of these represent equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II.	26	55.32%
It makes me nauseous to even consider Patrick Mahomes II on some other team.	24	51.06%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 47. You may not vote on this poll

11-23-2018, 12:46 PM	Topic Starter
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-642449 VARSITY	Hypothetical Part 2: Equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II. Hypothetical Part 2: Equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II. This is the second poll in a six-part series. Okay, we're not trading our franchise quarterback. Let's make that clear. But if other teams were making us good-faith trade offers, what would be a fair offer? I've done the following to make some estimated trade packages, using the following algorithms. I went to the NFL Network Top 100 players of last year. Recognizing that it includes some old declining players and at least one player who can't walk very well, and recognizing that Patrick Mahomes II is a young franchise quarterback, I'm assuming that Patrick Mahomes II is worth more than any player on the list, and generally worth much more. If a team had three players on the list, I packaged those three players into an offer. If a team had two players on the list, I added their 1st round pick from 2018. If a team had one or zero players on the list, I packaged future 1st round picks so that the Chiefs would get three players in total. If a team had more than three players on the list, I put together packages that added players in different scenarios until all of their top 100 players were included in a package. By doing this, I came up with 60 total trade offers. I'll put them up in groups of 10, and your job is to assess whether or not it would be an equal or greater value than our own Patrick Mahomes II. Important rule: Don't consider this poll as indicating that you would ACCEPT such a trade offer. Because trading Patrick Mahomes II would be insane. Just tell us whether you think those players would add equivalent value to the franchise. Here are your second ten scenarios.
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11-23-2018, 12:49 PM	#2
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-642449 VARSITY	I have to point out that the Broncos and Raiders offers make me laugh. Those are their best players according to NFL Network and recent draft history. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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11-23-2018, 12:52 PM	#3
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-642449 VARSITY	For the second time in these polls so far, none of them rise to an equivalent trade value for Patrick Mahomes II, and to be hones, none of them are even close. I'd laugh at every one of these offers. I also can't decide which one of these would be the best offer. Maybe the Bears? __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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11-23-2018, 12:53 PM	#4
St. Patty's Fire Same as the old boss Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: North NJ Casino cash: $1204900	I’d change my vote to the last option None of these trade offers even make me pause __________________ Chief good "The word 'bipartisan' usually means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." – George Carlin
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11-23-2018, 12:54 PM	#5
NJChiefsFan I've Made a Huge Mistake Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NJ Casino cash: $4500423	Rodgers has enough time left that if they had a great 3rd option, like say Darnold, it would be up there with the Rams trade. Since it's just Graham though I still see the Rams as the only one that is balanced in the spirit of this poll. In reality though any drop off at QB is not worth it in the NFL.
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11-23-2018, 12:57 PM	#6
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-642449 VARSITY	I'm fascinated by this because it appears that few teams could make a viable offer for Patrick Mahomes II even if they packaged their best three players/prospects. We'll see what happens in the later scenarios when some teams ramp up their offers. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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11-23-2018, 01:38 PM	#9
TLO Life is changing.. Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NW Missouri Casino cash: $-2550000	No. Just no.
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11-23-2018, 01:40 PM	#10
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1555266	Again, being a long suffering fan. No. No.
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11-23-2018, 01:57 PM	#12
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-2111821	fun topic - but I'd keep Mahomes over any of that. He's too much fun. Too good. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the show.
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11-23-2018, 02:24 PM	#13
KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	The Rams offer is the “ONLY” one I’d consider & I don’t think I’d pull the trigger on it either. __________________
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11-23-2018, 02:46 PM	#14
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-642449 VARSITY	I think one of our resident Broncos fans has cast their vote. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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11-23-2018, 03:09 PM	#15
BigBeauford MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Lenexa, KS Casino cash: $1486717	I could live with the browns one; cant help but feel that another draft pick would be necesary. It is amazing to think what the Redskins gave up for RGIII, compared to what we did for Mahomes.
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