Other Sports Jose Bautista

RedThat · 02:48 PM

May I ask, where in the heck did this guy come from?

Leads the league in HR's, RBI's, has a good OBP, solid utility player. Great arm in the outfield, he is up there as one of the leaders in assists for an outfielder. Very good defensively. Yeah he was a Royal at one time. I know it sucks. You can shoot me for saying that. But how in the world did he become this good? Dude is having a monster year. Great breakout season.

Pitt Gorilla · 07-30-2010, 02:48 PM

I remember when the Royals acquired him and then flipped him in a multi-team deal for Huber, IIRC.

BWillie · 07-30-2010, 02:48 PM

He did what Joe Mauer did last year. HGH, duh. He's rolling the dice.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2010, 02:52 PM

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He did what Joe Mauer did last year. HGH, duh. He's rolling the dice.

If Bautista hits 45 HRs on HGH, Barry Bonds would have hit 110.

A portion of it could be chemical. Most of it is just the fact that he's really, really lucky right now, and he plays in a hitter's park.

RedThat · 07-30-2010, 02:57 PM

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If Bautista hits 45 HRs on HGH, Barry Bonds would have hit 110.

A portion of it could be chemical. Most of it is just the fact that he's really, really lucky right now, and he plays in a hitter's park.

Do you think some of his success can be credited to coaching. I think Cito Gaston has done an excellent job with him. Cito is an excellent hitting coach and has developed some really good hitters during his career.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2010, 03:04 PM

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Do you think some of his success can be credited to coaching. I think Cito Gaston has done an excellent job with him. Cito is an excellent hitting coach and has developed some really good hitters during his career.

There's really no such thing as a good hitting coach. You can either hit, or you can't.

The only thing that a hitting coach can really teach you is philosophy.

His K% is such that it's indicative that he hasn't shortened his stroke.

He doesn't hit for a tremendous average, nor is he a guy that hits to all fields.

If Gaston had really improved him, his contact ratio and his LD% would be way up. They aren't.

RedThat · 07-30-2010, 05:21 PM

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There's really no such thing as a good hitting coach. You can either hit, or you can't.

The only thing that a hitting coach can really teach you is philosophy.

His K% is such that it's indicative that he hasn't shortened his stroke.

He doesn't hit for a tremendous average, nor is he a guy that hits to all fields.

If Gaston had really improved him, his contact ratio and his LD% would be way up. They aren't.

Yeah the philosophy part I can see coming into effect. Cito preaches to these guys to be aggressive at the plate day in and day out. That could be a contributing factor as to why they are hitting so many homeruns this year?

One thing though, they do strike out quite a bit. Thats the consequence imo that comes with being an aggressive hitting ball club. Everytime these guys are at the plate the number one thing they have on their minds is swinging for the fences. But what impresses me most is they have guys hitting homeruns throughout the lineup. It doesn't just come from Bautista.

The Jays aren't really a team that hits for average. I watched some of their games this year and I will say part of the reason I believe is because they're not a patient hitting team.

Pitt Gorilla · 07-30-2010, 03:43 PM

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Do you think some of his success can be credited to coaching. I think Cito Gaston has done an excellent job with him. Cito is an excellent hitting coach and has developed some really good hitters during his career.

No, but I do think it has to do with him playing in Toronto. Granted, it's a hitter's park, but something else is going on there. I'm not going to accuse them of stealing signs, but they "guess" correctly at home more than any other team I've seen.

What do Bautista's numbers look like away from home? That should provide a part of your answer.

MIAdragon · 07-30-2010, 03:59 PM

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He did what Joe Mauer did last year. HGH, duh. He's rolling the dice.

Its like the ENTIRE Jays team is on HGH this year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2010, 04:04 PM

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Its like the ENTIRE Jays team is on HGH this year.

Lind and Hill's power numbers are way down this year. They hit 70+ combined last year.

MIAdragon · 07-30-2010, 04:10 PM

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Lind and Hill's power numbers are way down this year. They hit 70+ combined last year.

Every game I watch they are crushing the ball.

KCGridironBeast · 07-30-2010, 04:29 PM

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Every game I watch they are crushing the ball.

They lead the league in HRs by a fair margin with 155...next closest is Boston with 135.

Their team home/road splits are as follows:

H: .260/.320/.499
R: .240/.304/.419

eazyb81 · 09-11-2010, 09:58 AM

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Lind and Hill's power numbers are way down this year. They hit 70+ combined last year.

Believe me, I know. Lind has single-handedly killed my fantasy team this year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2010, 02:51 PM

His ISO rate is 60% higher than his career average, his HR/FB% is massively inflated over his career norms, he has a piss poor LD%, and he hits a lot of infield flies.

He's an uppercut swinging hacker who is having a hugely aberrational power year.

KC_Connection · 09-11-2010, 12:39 AM

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His ISO rate is 60% higher than his career average, his HR/FB% is massively inflated over his career norms, he has a piss poor LD%, and he hits a lot of infield flies.

I'm sorry I missed this thread over the summer, but with Bautista's 46th tonight, it's timely.

How do any of those metrics imply luck is a factor in Bautista's power upswing?

His ISO isn't a fluke (he leads the majors in no-doubters: http://www.hittrackeronline.com/).

You could argue that his HR/FB% is unsustainable, I suppose, but it's quite clear he's changed his approach as a hitter since last year (http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/08/24/a...ome-run-binge/). If you acknowledge that Bautista has, in fact, made an actual adjustment to his swing that has created more loft and power, it would be best to at least partially ignore his HR/FB from a period in his career when he didn't have the same approach. Also, having a 20% HR/FB isn't out of the ordinary for power hitting sluggers in this league nor is it in any way "inflated" (Votto, Pena, Dunn, Scott, Cabrera, Reynolds, Ortiz, and Howard are the players with that kind of rate this season). It's not like he's doing something that a lot of other players aren't.

His low LD% is irrelevant. It's not unusual for a uppercut swinging, high FB% slugger to have a low LD% (look at guys like Carlos Pena, Adam Dunn, Mark Reynolds, Nelson Cruz, Carlos Quentin, Dan Uggla etc), nor is it reflective that any sort of fluke is going on. Same with his IFFB%...I'm not sure what conclusion you are trying to draw there. His 15.2% IFFB% isn't reflective of anything fluky or lucky going on, it just indicates that he has a uppercut swing and that he's regularly swinging for the fences. FYI, during the best offensive season baseball has ever seen (Bonds in 2004), Barry had a IFFB% of 14.2%.

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He's an uppercut swinging hacker who is having a hugely aberrational power year.

Bautista may be an uppercut swinger having a huge year that he may never repeat, but he's no hacker. His 15.2 BB% is 2nd in the majors behind Daric Barton (and he's only been IBB'd twice, surprisingly).

Really, Bautista is having a ridiculous year in terms of power, and it's somewhat surprising to me that it hasn't gotten acknowledged much in the mainstream media.

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