BigCat's Top 5 At 21

BigCatDaddy · 03-09-2011, 02:00 PM

I'm a little underwhelmed at the lack of talent in this years draft, but as of right now come draft day here are the guys I'm pulling for at #21.

1. Phil Taylor - At some point this position HAS to be addresses in this defense. Taylor has huge upside here and basically offers us something we don't have on this team. A legit 3-4 NT. There are other guys later in the draft, but probably not the game changer Taylor can be.

2 Ryan Mallett - Here comes the boom or bust factor. This guys scares the hell out of me, but he has the best NFL arm I've seen in quite some time. I would applaud any effort at upgrading the QB position through the draft and you will never find a better arm at 21.

3. Torrey Smith - Our WR's are slower then dirt and Torrey is the perfect compliment to Bowe and should be able to get seperation. I think we are talking Maclin V2 right here. Smith, Bowe, Moe, Charles, McCluster is a lot of toys to play with on offense.

4. Martez Wilson - Team speed is still a major problem with this defense and Wilson upgrades that quite a bit over Belcher.

5. Justin Houston - A very good player at a major position of need. I wouldn't be thrilled by this pick ,but would just sit back and think "blah, but makes sense".

Direckshun · 03-09-2011, 02:20 PM

I like Taylor a lot more than most people here. I like that pick, A-.

Mallett is a disaster. Not only is Pioli not going to go for him, but he's apparently the antithesis of a team leader. Asshole QBs by and large don't win Super Bowls. D-

Smith is a reach, but an understandable one. I'd give the pick a B-.

Wilson I am not that crazy about. I feel like he doesn't play as hard as he should. He has a few good highlights but you never see the guy just plow a mother****er. I think he's going to play softer than DJ. C-.

Houston would never happen with Pioli. Shame, too. A+.

BigCatDaddy · 03-09-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I like Taylor a lot more than most people here. I like that pick, A-.

Mallett is a disaster. Not only is Pioli not going to go for him, but he's apparently the antithesis of a team leader. Asshole QBs by and large don't win Super Bowls. D-

Smith is a reach, but an understandable one. I'd give the pick a B-.

Wilson I am not that crazy about. I feel like he doesn't play as hard as he should. He has a few good highlights but you never see the guy just plow a mother****er. I think he's going to play softer than DJ. C-.

Houston would never happen with Pioli. Shame, too. A+.

Mallett is the big question mark. I get all the intangible issues, but if a guy is out there throwing laser beams and putting up points does it off set it some? I wan't go bury the guy, but then I see him throw and just can't quit him. Although I'm sure he is probably off the Chiefs board anyways.

I'm almost pulling for Smith at this point ahead of Taylor. He have 0 speed at the WR position right now and need someone to stretch the field.

Direckshun · 03-09-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I wan't go bury the guy, but then I see him throw and just can't quit him.

BigCatDaddy · 03-09-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Exactly!

milkman · 03-09-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Mallett is the big question mark. I get all the intangible issues, but if a guy is out there throwing laser beams and putting up points does it off set it some? I wan't go bury the guy, but then I see him throw and just can't quit him. Although I'm sure he is probably off the Chiefs board anyways.

I'm almost pulling for Smith at this point ahead of Taylor. He have 0 speed at the WR position right now and need someone to stretch the field.

The reality is that intangibles are more important that physical ability for a QB.

Joe Montana had a weak arm and lacked ideal size, though he did throw an accurate ball.

Ryan Leaf was more physically gifted than Peyton Manning.

It's why I like Ponder more than Mallet.

Ponder isn't on the same level physically, but he seems to be a smart kid that people get behind.

Mallet seems to be a headcase.

Just say no to Mallet.

Chiefnj2 · 03-09-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The reality is that intangibles are more important that physical ability for a QB.

Joe Montana had a weak arm and lacked ideal size, though he did throw an accurate ball.

Ryan Leaf was more physically gifted than Peyton Manning.

It's why I like Ponder more than Mallet.

Ponder isn't on the same level physically, but he seems to be a smart kid that people get behind.

Mallet seems to be a headcase.

Just say no to Mallet.

I can't help but think that if KC took Ponder at 21, they could parlay it into a bunch of picks and/or players from a team like Carolina, Buffalo, AZ or Cincy who may pass up a QB in early round 1.

BigCatDaddy · 03-10-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The reality is that intangibles are more important that physical ability for a QB.

Joe Montana had a weak arm and lacked ideal size, though he did throw an accurate ball.

Ryan Leaf was more physically gifted than Peyton Manning.

It's why I like Ponder more than Mallet.

Ponder isn't on the same level physically, but he seems to be a smart kid that people get behind.

Mallet seems to be a headcase.

Just say no to Mallet.

Was Leaf really though? Is being able to throw a ball a little harder or a little further the full extent of physical ability? Accuracy is what trumps all in my opinion and I think Manning far more accuarate. Leaf was bigger fatter dude if you want to call that being more phyiscally gifted, but I'll take the physical gift of being able to avoid the pass rush over that.

Mallet not only has a gun, but can put the ball on the money like Warner did. He is the leader Warner was? Hell no, but not many are. Like I said I'm 50/50 on the kid, but I would be super excited if he picked him up and just to see what he can do. He might be Grbac part II, but Elvis lead some pretty damn good offenses.

Chris Meck · 03-10-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Mallet not only has a gun, but can put the ball on the money like Warner did. He is the leader Warner was? Hell no, but not many are. Like I said I'm 50/50 on the kid, but I would be super excited if he picked him up and just to see what he can do. He might be Grbac part II, but Elvis lead some pretty damn good offenses.

The difference between Warner and Grbac is that Warner led teams to the SB, Grbac led teams nowhere.

If it was about having a big, accurate arm then the Jeff George's of the world would win all the games.

when adversity strikes, and it will, in most games and certainly every season-and for damned sure in a play-off game, then the leadership abilities and intangibles are what separates the greats from the never-was's.

suds79 · 03-10-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Joe Montana had a weak arm and lacked ideal size, though he did throw an accurate ball.

Montana was the best but let's not act like he's the rule and not the exception.

For every Joe Montana, there's about 10 Chad Penningtons. Smart, solid (and some not so solid) QBs who were limited physically.

Maybe it's not a huge factor but you cannot deny when you defend against the likes of Big Ben or a Joe Flacco that there's more of the field you have to defend because they can put the ball anywhere on the field. It's an advantage and a factor.

We just had a SB where the two QBs are about as physically gifted as they come. Now of course they're vets and have had time to really become experts of their craft so seasoning like that takes time.

Sure above all else, I want my QB to be smart & quick in decision making. I think that's skill #1. And Mallett probably needs some time to mature and refine his game.

That's why he's going in the 2nd round and probably won't start in this league for a couple of years. 100% agree with Mel Kiper in that you can't compare Mallett to Leaf because Ryan Mallett isn't going #2 overall.

As a 2nd rounder, the risk is much, much less.

milkman · 03-10-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Montana was the best but let's not act like he's the rule and not the exception.

For every Joe Montana, there's about 10 Chad Penningtons. Smart, solid (and some not so solid) QBs who were limited physically.

Maybe it's not a huge factor but you cannot deny when you defend against the likes of Big Ben or a Joe Flacco that there's more of the field you have to defend because they can put the ball anywhere on the field. It's an advantage and a factor.

We just had a SB where the two QBs are about as physically gifted as they come. Now of course they're vets and have had time to really become experts of their craft so seasoning like that takes time.

Sure above all else, I want my QB to be smart & quick in decision making. I think that's skill #1. And Mallett probably needs some time to mature and refine his game.

That's why he's going in the 2nd round and probably won't start in this league for a couple of years. 100% agree with Mel Kiper in that you can't compare Mallett to Leaf because Ryan Mallett isn't going #2 overall.

As a 2nd rounder, the risk is much, much less.

And for every Aaron Rogers there's about 10 David Carr's.

When looking at QBs, I want the guy that plays smart, if I have to choose between the smart kid that's less physically gifted and the dumbass that's more physically gifted.

Frankie · 03-09-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I like Taylor a lot more than most people here. I like that pick, A-.

I was starting to love all this gathering Taylor @ 21 speculation, until I read up about his off field issues and his work habits prior to 2010. Pioli will perhaps pass on him and try to go for Powe later which won't exactly break my heart.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Mallett is a disaster. Not only is Pioli not going to go for him, but he's apparently the antithesis of a team leader. Asshole QBs by and large don't win Super Bowls. D-

He may not quite be a Ryan Leaf, but he sure as heck sounds like an Elvis Grbac.

suds79 · 03-09-2011, 02:33 PM

I'm perfectly fine with Taylor at 21 so we can finally stop talking about the NT position.

I also like the value of QB skills you get with Mallett who will fall to the 2nd. Perhaps a trade up in the 2nd possibility? Sitting a year or so and some seasoning and you could have a steal.

Can't win at the QB draft game if you don't ever try.

Chiefnj2 · 03-09-2011, 02:52 PM

1. Houston
2. Reed
3. Hankerson
4. Carimi
5. Taylor

Chris Meck · 03-09-2011, 08:40 PM

I agree.

03-09-2011, 02:00 PM	Topic Starter
BigCatDaddy The Beast Inside Your Head Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $1529122	BigCat's Top 5 At 21 I'm a little underwhelmed at the lack of talent in this years draft, but as of right now come draft day here are the guys I'm pulling for at #21. 1. Phil Taylor - At some point this position HAS to be addresses in this defense. Taylor has huge upside here and basically offers us something we don't have on this team. A legit 3-4 NT. There are other guys later in the draft, but probably not the game changer Taylor can be. 2 Ryan Mallett - Here comes the boom or bust factor. This guys scares the hell out of me, but he has the best NFL arm I've seen in quite some time. I would applaud any effort at upgrading the QB position through the draft and you will never find a better arm at 21. 3. Torrey Smith - Our WR's are slower then dirt and Torrey is the perfect compliment to Bowe and should be able to get seperation. I think we are talking Maclin V2 right here. Smith, Bowe, Moe, Charles, McCluster is a lot of toys to play with on offense. 4. Martez Wilson - Team speed is still a major problem with this defense and Wilson upgrades that quite a bit over Belcher. 5. Justin Houston - A very good player at a major position of need. I wouldn't be thrilled by this pick ,but would just sit back and think "blah, but makes sense".
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03-09-2011, 02:33 PM	#13
suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	I'm perfectly fine with Taylor at 21 so we can finally stop talking about the NT position. I also like the value of QB skills you get with Mallett who will fall to the 2nd. Perhaps a trade up in the 2nd possibility? Sitting a year or so and some seasoning and you could have a steal. Can't win at the QB draft game if you don't ever try.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7813688	1. Houston 2. Reed 3. Hankerson 4. Carimi 5. Taylor __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1564910	I agree.
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03-09-2011, 02:20 PM	#2
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4123447	I like Taylor a lot more than most people here. I like that pick, A-. Mallett is a disaster. Not only is Pioli not going to go for him, but he's apparently the antithesis of a team leader. Asshole QBs by and large don't win Super Bowls. D- Smith is a reach, but an understandable one. I'd give the pick a B-. Wilson I am not that crazy about. I feel like he doesn't play as hard as he should. He has a few good highlights but you never see the guy just plow a mother****er. I think he's going to play softer than DJ. C-. Houston would never happen with Pioli. Shame, too. A+.
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