Chiefs Thoughts the day after

TwistedChief · 09-20-2021, 04:32 AM

Went to bed embarrassed and mad. Woke up fine.

We've lost so infrequently over the past couple years that I think we've forgotten how to do it. And how to cope with it as fans.

That defensive performance was about as pathetic as I can ever remember. Literally no saving grace on that front. And that's concerning. But we can acknowledge that these two matchups were particularly bad for this team and we've seen Spags' defenses look lost in the past only to make adjustments and find a way to improve to semi-respectable.

The reality is we played a NUMBER of close games like this last year and each and every time the ball bounced our way. Now, a lot of that is because we have Mahomes who has papered over endless deficiencies for the last few years, but even as a recently as last week, if Chubb doesn't fumble, do we win that game? What is the narrative like then?

Clyde looks bad. Like, even below the status of a normal JAG running back. But I don't think you can fault Andy for running the ball in that situation. It's not like the guy has a LeSean McCoy recent history of fumbling for you (or at all). It happened. It sucks.

Anyway, guys, this is no different from prior seasons. We can beat any team. We have Mahomes and 99% of the time Clyde isn't fumbling there, Butker kicks a FG, we end up winning the game, and we're all doing cartwheels and looking forward to the Chargers. It didn't happen here, but that doesn't make us materially worse as a football team.

This team ex-Mahomes has been soft. Hopefully this toughens us up. We'll be fine.

Flying High D · 09-20-2021, 04:40 AM

Hopefully CEH takes Shady’s seat on the bench. The fumble throne.

Sassy Squatch · 09-20-2021, 04:41 AM

The defense has improved in the past, yes, but there were a number of circumstances that may not be entirely applicable this year.

For whatever reason, Clark played up from his usual level of complete waste of space to decent for a stretch of games. Not sure that happens again.

The defense in 2019 needing time to develop cohesion is understandable given it was a completely new scheme with a bunch of new key contributors. Absolutely no excuse or reason for optimism except they just sucked so badly it can only go up from here.

There's also not a lot out there to plug in and fix the problem. Pennel and Suggs were arguably the adds that elevated this defense to championship level in 2019, and I'm not seeing a whole lot out there that Veach can pick up. Seeing the performances up to this point I am ****ing baffled and more than a bit pissed we had Ingram in and let him leave without a contract.

As it stands I'm getting 2018 vibes from this defense and that's a horrible feeling to have.

TwistedChief · 09-20-2021, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

The defense has improved in the past, yes, but there were a number of circumstances that may not be entirely applicable this year.

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As it stands I'm getting 2018 vibes from this defense and that's a horrible feeling to have.

No disagreement there. I'm more making the point that this defense has much better coaching, better leadership, and better talent than the 2018 version. And it's found its way to show up in the past when we've needed it to.

Even in the Browns game, it felt like there were adjustments made that put us in a better spot.

It seemed more out of character that yesterday we seemed to have no more success defensively in the second half than we did in the first. I'm not ready to concede that as the expected norm.

Great Expectations · 09-20-2021, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Even in the Browns game, it felt like there were adjustments made that put us in a better spot.

That adjustment was Cleveland abandoning the run. We haven’t stopped it in two games.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-20-2021, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

The defense has improved in the past, yes, but there were a number of circumstances that may not be entirely applicable this year.

For whatever reason, Clark played up from his usual level of complete waste of space to decent for a stretch of games. Not sure that happens again.

The defense in 2019 needing time to develop cohesion is understandable given it was a completely new scheme with a bunch of new key contributors. Absolutely no excuse or reason for optimism except they just sucked so badly it can only go up from here.

There's also not a lot out there to plug in and fix the problem. Pennel and Suggs were arguably the adds that elevated this defense to championship level in 2019, and I'm not seeing a whole lot out there that Veach can pick up. Seeing the performances up to this point I am ****ing baffled and more than a bit pissed we had Ingram in and let him leave without a contract.

As it stands I'm getting 2018 vibes from this defense and that's a horrible feeling to have.

We didn't really add much last year either. But by the end of the season we got sneaky good on D. For whatever reason spags defense seems to start the season very slowly.

Coogs · 09-20-2021, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We didn't really add much last year either. But by the end of the season we got sneaky good on D. For whatever reason spags defense seems to start the season very slowly.

I could be wrong here, but when we hired Spags as the DC, I thought I remembered reading where his first season or so at each place he was at his defenses were top 5 units. And they quickly fell to bottom 5 units. If so, we may be following that pattern again.

**RealSNR** · 09-20-2021, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I could be wrong here, but when we hired Spags as the DC, I thought I remembered reading where his first season or so at each place he was at his defenses were top 5 units. And they quickly fell to bottom 5 units. If so, we may be following that pattern again.

Sorry, but that kind of thinking is worthless unless you come up with some reasons why that has happened in the past.

It's not like the players go, "Welp, it's year 3 of the Spags system. Time to play like shit!"

Coogs · 09-20-2021, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Sorry, but that kind of thinking is worthless unless you come up with some reasons why that has happened in the past.

It's not like the players go, "Welp, it's year 3 of the Spags system. Time to play like shit!"

It was just a thought that came to mind. I don't have the time to research it out. Thought maybe some of you that do have the time could see if there was any parallel.

**HemiEd** · 09-20-2021, 05:56 AM

IMO it was a complete team loss, nobody was excluded, except number 87, Kelce is above any blame. He balled his ass off.

Honey Badger had two great picks, then two crucial phantom holding calls. He touched a receiver but Tyreek was getting his jersey ripped off.

Sorenson was total ass in the first half and then came up big towards the end with at least two great plays.

Andy was Andy, and I guess he always will be.

Mahomes was awesome until the desperation lobb that ended his perfection in September streak.

Chris Jones was not much of a factor and being held most of the game. I don't recall a single offensive holding call for either side.

The NFL was the benefactor of a very, very exciting game. I guess that is why they call it ENTERTAINMENT. That being said, hopefully this will have a positive impact on our favorite team going forward.

Deberg_1990 · 09-20-2021, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

IMO it was a complete team loss, nobody was excluded, except number 87, Kelce is above any blame. He balled his ass off.
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Pringle Balled out.

JPH83 · 09-20-2021, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We didn't really add much last year either. But by the end of the season we got sneaky good on D. For whatever reason spags defense seems to start the season very slowly.

This is my hope, that that trend continues. But it looks awful. I think most of us were optimistic that even if the defence is middling Mahomes give us enough. Probably still true, but when it's this poor he's up against it.

I don't know how much is scheme and coaching and how much is just personnel. I don't think Reed is the signing people thought he was. Clark continues to disappoint. Danna looks like a 5th round pick and our secondary isn't even covering that well and looks more like the gamble we might have anticipated.

It would've been hard but getting help at DE seems like a better bet than moving Jones there. I had faith in the remaining DTs but it seems misplaced.

If they can get anywhere near average we're fine, and then that DL needs revisiting.

Sassy Squatch · 09-20-2021, 04:52 AM

****ing hell, CEH... I hope this is the start of his redemption arc but I seriously doubt it. Still can't believe that every trait that supposedly made him a worthwhile first round draft pick have just vanished into the ether but here we are.

scho63 · 09-20-2021, 04:54 AM

Maybe we can sign Paul Palmer

POND_OF_RED · 09-20-2021, 04:58 AM

Don’t google “Gay toe” in a drunken rage.

09-20-2021, 04:32 AM	Topic Starter
TwistedChief Why so serious? Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Chicago Casino cash: $1900415	Thoughts the day after Went to bed embarrassed and mad. Woke up fine. We've lost so infrequently over the past couple years that I think we've forgotten how to do it. And how to cope with it as fans. That defensive performance was about as pathetic as I can ever remember. Literally no saving grace on that front. And that's concerning. But we can acknowledge that these two matchups were particularly bad for this team and we've seen Spags' defenses look lost in the past only to make adjustments and find a way to improve to semi-respectable. The reality is we played a NUMBER of close games like this last year and each and every time the ball bounced our way. Now, a lot of that is because we have Mahomes who has papered over endless deficiencies for the last few years, but even as a recently as last week, if Chubb doesn't fumble, do we win that game? What is the narrative like then? Clyde looks bad. Like, even below the status of a normal JAG running back. But I don't think you can fault Andy for running the ball in that situation. It's not like the guy has a LeSean McCoy recent history of fumbling for you (or at all). It happened. It sucks. Anyway, guys, this is no different from prior seasons. We can beat any team. We have Mahomes and 99% of the time Clyde isn't fumbling there, Butker kicks a FG, we end up winning the game, and we're all doing cartwheels and looking forward to the Chargers. It didn't happen here, but that doesn't make us materially worse as a football team. This team ex-Mahomes has been soft. Hopefully this toughens us up. We'll be fine.
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09-20-2021, 04:40 AM	#2
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09-20-2021, 04:41 AM	#3
Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $1919655	The defense has improved in the past, yes, but there were a number of circumstances that may not be entirely applicable this year. For whatever reason, Clark played up from his usual level of complete waste of space to decent for a stretch of games. Not sure that happens again. The defense in 2019 needing time to develop cohesion is understandable given it was a completely new scheme with a bunch of new key contributors. Absolutely no excuse or reason for optimism except they just sucked so badly it can only go up from here. There's also not a lot out there to plug in and fix the problem. Pennel and Suggs were arguably the adds that elevated this defense to championship level in 2019, and I'm not seeing a whole lot out there that Veach can pick up. Seeing the performances up to this point I am ****ing baffled and more than a bit pissed we had Ingram in and let him leave without a contract. As it stands I'm getting 2018 vibes from this defense and that's a horrible feeling to have.
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09-20-2021, 05:56 AM	#10
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $2740564	IMO it was a complete team loss, nobody was excluded, except number 87, Kelce is above any blame. He balled his ass off. Honey Badger had two great picks, then two crucial phantom holding calls. He touched a receiver but Tyreek was getting his jersey ripped off. Sorenson was total ass in the first half and then came up big towards the end with at least two great plays. Andy was Andy, and I guess he always will be. Mahomes was awesome until the desperation lobb that ended his perfection in September streak. Chris Jones was not much of a factor and being held most of the game. I don't recall a single offensive holding call for either side. The NFL was the benefactor of a very, very exciting game. I guess that is why they call it ENTERTAINMENT. That being said, hopefully this will have a positive impact on our favorite team going forward.
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