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Old 03-25-2010, 06:55 PM   Topic Starter
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I see Pioli taking a lot of the blame for last year's piss-ass offseason
And I agree that he deserves most of it.

But are we leaving out Todd Haley in this situation? Remember, we don't quite know about Todd. He might actually be more reeruned than Herm. Nobody really knows.

To me, it's also kind of a Catch-22 here. If Todd Haley thought Tyson Jackson was a good pick, and that signing Goff and Mike Brown were good ideas and cutting Pollard and moving to the 3-4 were all good ideas, then he deserves some blame. I mean, he thought these abysmal ideas were good. But then if he didn't think these ideas were good, they still happened under his watch, and his head coaching job during the season reflected entirely Pioli's plan for how a football team should look. And in that case, Todd deserves blame ANYWAY for being a spineless bastard and giving in wholeheartedly to the wishes of Scott Pioli, who would not take any part in building the team, coaching them, improving them, and making the final product on gameday.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:56 PM   #2
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And I agree that he deserves most of it.

But are we leaving out Todd Haley in this situation? Remember, we don't quite know about Todd. He might actually be more reeruned than Herm. Nobody really knows.

To me, it's also kind of a Catch-22 here. If Todd Haley thought Tyson Jackson was a good pick, and that signing Goff and Mike Brown were good ideas and cutting Pollard and moving to the 3-4 were all good ideas, then he deserves some blame. I mean, he thought these abysmal ideas were good. But then if he didn't think these ideas were good, they still happened under his watch, and his head coaching job during the season reflected entirely Pioli's plan for how a football team should look. And in that case, Todd deserves blame ANYWAY for being a spineless bastard and giving in wholeheartedly to the wishes of Scott Pioli, who would not take any part in building the team, coaching them, improving them, and making the final product on gameday.
I have a feeling Todd Haley had very little input regarding Tyson Jackson.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:09 PM   #3
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I have a feeling Todd Haley had very little input regarding Tyson Jackson.
I am pretty sure that was the case
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Old 03-26-2010, 11:13 AM   #4
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I have a feeling Todd Haley had very little input regarding Tyson Jackson.
That's how I feel as well.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:56 PM   #5
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What is Haley supposed to do? Trash Pioli on making a horrible pick?
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What is Haley supposed to do? Trash Pioli on making a horrible pick?
He's in that war room.

Dick Vermeil had PLENTY of say in his drafts. Same with Herm. It's not like coaches blindly take the players that the GM gives them and are expected to mold a football team out of whatever they have.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:53 PM   #7
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He's in that war room.

Dick Vermeil had PLENTY of say in his drafts. Same with Herm. It's not like coaches blindly take the players that the GM gives them and are expected to mold a football team out of whatever they have.
Dick Vermeil had more clout at the time too.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:16 PM   #8
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He's in that war room.

Dick Vermeil had PLENTY of say in his drafts. Same with Herm. It's not like coaches blindly take the players that the GM gives them and are expected to mold a football team out of whatever they have.
That's a bogus point. You really think a guy 2 months into his 1st ever HC gig is gonna try and throw his weight around on the #3 over all pick? I don't think so. Haley took whatever Pioli gave him.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:18 PM   #9
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That's a bogus point. You really think a guy 2 months into his 1st ever HC gig is gonna try and throw his weight around on the #3 over all pick? I don't think so. Haley took whatever Pioli gave him.
He was under contract, wasn't he?

Are you telling us that a guy like Haley, who's paid $3 million per year, would be fired for voicing his opinion?

Wut?
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:18 PM   #10
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That's a bogus point. You really think a guy 2 months into his 1st ever HC gig is gonna try and throw his weight around on the #3 over all pick? I don't think so. Haley took whatever Pioli gave him.
Yeah, most successful coaches are spineless ****ing bitches.
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If Haley's a moron, then it's on Pioli for hiring the dumb sonofabitch.
If we have another bad draft and Haley is fired things would not look good for Pioli.
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