Opinion update at the bye week...

Gaz · 10-08-2004, 12:48 PM

Okay, we have that critical first win under our belt.

The Defense continues to improve and held Lewis to 73 yards on his home field.

The Offense showed that diverse attack that tore up the NFL last season.

The Special Teams…well, I’ll have to get back to you on that…

What is the current weakest point on the team. And, has this changed since pre-season?

xoxo~
Gaz
Aware of his critical need shifting from WR to LB to ST coverage.

KCHawg · 10-08-2004, 12:52 PM

Special teams - coverage just sucks!

nmt1 · 10-08-2004, 12:53 PM

Defense is still weak, IMO. They are getting better but a talent infusion is called for. They are several players away from being really good. I think improving the defensive talent will help ST's. Better athletes and depth on defense = better ST's.
Offense just needs to get in sync but could use a big play threat at WR.

HolmeZz · 10-08-2004, 12:53 PM

Special Teams has been our weakest point. I'm not that worried about our receivers anymore. They've done a fine job holding onto the ball and it's not the most crucial part of our success.

Our linebackers are a weak spot, but I think they've still outplayed expectations, IMO. Because of that, I can't hold anything against them.

The special teams has been bad. We've been awful on punt and kick return coverage. If we can fix that it'll help our defense out greatly. It's hard to expect alot from the defense when the other teams keeps getting the ball at the 40. Also, I'd like to see more out of Dante. We aren't getting the great returns we're now accustomed to.

nmt1 · 10-08-2004, 12:55 PM

Offensive penalties are killing us too. They get in down and long situations that are hard to overcome, though they did a good job Monday night. Got to address the penalty problem on all sides of the ball. Stop shooting ourselves in the foot.

jcroft · 10-08-2004, 12:53 PM

To me, it's LBs, then ST coverage, then CBs.

WR is still a weakness, but I beleive as long as Priest, Trent, and Tony G. are rolling, we can overcome that one fairly easily. The others are a bigger deal because we can't so easily "make up for them".

Gaz · 10-08-2004, 01:00 PM

When I look for the “critical need,” I try and figure out which segment of the game would immediately improve our chances to win. There is certainly a ripple effect and many segments overlap.

For example, better ST coverage means worse field position for The Enemy, which means a longer field for the Defense to defend.

Or better WRs means fewer punts, which means less time for the D on the field.

Or a better punter, which means fewer line drive punts. However, since DV has already addressed the Baker Vs Cheek issue, this is a moot point.

I see the most “bang for the buck” in ST coverage units giving the D a longer field to defend. I cannot quibble with anyone picking LBs [that would be my second choice], but I personally think a longer field can make our LBs [and the entire Defense] a little bit better.

xoxo~
Gaz
Not quite as concerned about WR as he was a couple weeks ago.

Tinlar · 10-08-2004, 12:56 PM

Critical first win, I'll show signs of happiness when we are 500

The defense didn't hold Lewis, not even a little. The offense kept him off the field and made the defense stats look promising at best.

The Offense sparked, but it takes consistency to turn a spark into a fire and no one game, no matter how well played, can tell the tale of consistency.

The Special Teams ... Yeah, until we get our punter back the Jury is still out on that. Our Punt returns have been good. Our kickoffs lacking. Our 3 pointers have been satisfying. Our punts laughable, but this isn't our punter anymore only an echo of pains from the past.

Our current weakest point on our team is our medical staff, they look tired and exhausted but its undersandable considering how overworked they have been this year.

Gaz · 10-08-2004, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinlar

...The defense didn't hold Lewis, not even a little. The offense kept him off the field and made the defense stats look promising at best...

Feh.

The Defense held Lewis to 73 yards. That is an accomplishment by any measure.

xoxo~
Gaz
Giving credit where it is due.

Tinlar · 10-08-2004, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

Feh.

The Defense held Lewis to 73 yards. That is an accomplishment by any measure.

xoxo~
Gaz
Giving credit where it is due.

I suppose if he had come out and ran for 20 yards a carry on three carries then been struck by lightning you would say the defense did a good job. His opportunities were limited by a strong offensive showing, don't mistake that for a sound run defense.

**grandllama** · 10-08-2004, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinlar

I suppose if he had come out and ran for 20 yards a carry on three carries then been struck by lightning you would say the defense did a good job. His opportunities were limited by a strong offensive showing, don't mistake that for a sound run defense.

You know, this whole damn argument is starting to chap my hide... the only way the offense ever got the ball so that they could stay on the field so long was that our defense GOT OFF the field... the way they are supposed to.

I said before the season if we could get to a middle of the pack defense I'd be happy... we're 14th in the league. I'm happy.

Tinlar · 10-08-2004, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by grandllama

You know, this whole damn argument is starting to chap my hide... the only way the offense ever got the ball so that they could stay on the field so long was that our defense GOT OFF the field... the way they are supposed to.

I said before the season if we could get to a middle of the pack defense I'd be happy... we're 14th in the league. I'm happy.

Don't get me wrong bubba, I'm happy too and if the defense that played Baltimore shows up for the next 14 I'll not bitch. This was their best showing so far, but call a spade a spade, this is a middle of the pack defense on good days. I love 'em with all my heart and yell for 'em every sunday, but them the facts.

Coogs · 10-08-2004, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinlar

The defense didn't hold Lewis, not even a little. The offense kept him off the field and made the defense stats look promising at best.

1st 7 Baltimore drives - thru 3 quarters....

1st - 7 plays... 36 yards... 50 yd FG
2nd- 3 plays... 0 yards... punt
3rd- 3 plays... 5 yards... punt
4th- 1 play... 57 yards... TD (trick play)
5th- 3 plays... 8 yards.... punt
6th- 1 play... -1 yard.... half
7th- 5plays... 21 yards... punt

I kind of thought the defense looked promising all by themselves.

Tinlar · 10-08-2004, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs

1st 7 Baltimore drives - thru 3 quarters....

1st - 7 plays... 36 yards... 50 yd FG
2nd- 3 plays... 0 yards... punt
3rd- 3 plays... 5 yards... punt
4th- 1 play... 57 yards... TD (trick play)
5th- 3 plays... 8 yards.... punt
6th- 1 play... -1 yard.... half
7th- 5plays... 21 yards... punt

I kind of thought the defense looked promising all by themselves.

Cut out their drive that was killed at the half and it looks like this...

1: 36 yards - Field goal
2: 0 yards - Punt
3: 5 yards - Punt
4: 57 yards - Touchdown
5: 8 yards - Punt
6: 21 yards - Punt

Compared to our first 6 drives ...

1: 60yards - Touchdown
2: 53yards - Field goal
3: 3yards - Punt
4: 78yards - Touchdown
5: 9yards - Punt
6: 7yards - Punt

We are claiming our Offense and Defense dominated them but in that comparison we only kill one drive more than they did. My, point? That the above stats do not tell the tale of this game. We _DID_ dominate this game and that stat that shows it is ToP. The credit for that stat belongs to the offense and the shoulders & legs of Priest.

Coogs · 10-09-2004, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinlar

Cut out their drive that was killed at the half and it looks like this...

1: 36 yards - Field goal
2: 0 yards - Punt
3: 5 yards - Punt
4: 57 yards - Touchdown
5: 8 yards - Punt
6: 21 yards - Punt

Compared to our first 6 drives ...

1: 60yards - Touchdown
2: 53yards - Field goal
3: 3yards - Punt
4: 78yards - Touchdown
5: 9yards - Punt
6: 7yards - Punt

We are claiming our Offense and Defense dominated them but in that comparison we only kill one drive more than they did. My, point? That the above stats do not tell the tale of this game. We _DID_ dominate this game and that stat that shows it is ToP. The credit for that stat belongs to the offense and the shoulders & legs of Priest.

You left out the number of plays on the drives. You bet the offense gets some of the share for the ToP numbers. But when you have that huge of a gap in the numbers, the defense has to be involved as well. And they were. 3 plays, 3 plays, 1 play, 3 plays, and 5 plays is pretty efficiant work by the defense, IMO.

I'm not discounting the offense at all. I thought AS called a brilliant game. I just think the defensive performance was equally impressive. Just as the offense was keeping the defense off of the field, the defense was putting the offense right back out there. That is what some of us have been waiting to see for a long time.

I'm well aware most are going to wait to jump on the bandwagon for at least 3 more games. It is going to boil down to how we do against Vick and his Falcons, and Manning and his Colts.

In the mean time, I am going to enjoy the progress I have seen from the defense over the past two or three weeks.

View Poll Results: What is the Chiefs’ weakest point right now?
Offense – WR	5	8.06%
Offense – OL	0	0%
Offense - penalties	6	9.68%
Special Teams – coverage team	37	59.68%
Special Teams – return team	0	0%
Special Teams – penalties	0	0%
Defense – LB	7	11.29%
Defense – CB	3	4.84%
Defense – penalties	0	0%
Coaching	2	3.23%
Bite me, Gaz, we are ALL weakness	0	0%
Bite me, Gaz, we have NO weakness	2	3.23%
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10-08-2004, 12:48 PM	Topic Starter
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Opinion update at the bye week... Okay, we have that critical first win under our belt. The Defense continues to improve and held Lewis to 73 yards on his home field. The Offense showed that diverse attack that tore up the NFL last season. The Special Teams…well, I’ll have to get back to you on that… What is the current weakest point on the team. And, has this changed since pre-season? xoxo~ Gaz Aware of his critical need shifting from WR to LB to ST coverage.
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10-08-2004, 12:52 PM	#2
KCHawg Combat Hawgkeeper 79-121 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sahuarita, Arizona Casino cash: $9715275	Special teams - coverage just sucks!
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10-08-2004, 12:53 PM	#3
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Defense is still weak, IMO. They are getting better but a talent infusion is called for. They are several players away from being really good. I think improving the defensive talent will help ST's. Better athletes and depth on defense = better ST's. Offense just needs to get in sync but could use a big play threat at WR.
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10-08-2004, 12:53 PM	#4
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Special Teams has been our weakest point. I'm not that worried about our receivers anymore. They've done a fine job holding onto the ball and it's not the most crucial part of our success. Our linebackers are a weak spot, but I think they've still outplayed expectations, IMO. Because of that, I can't hold anything against them. The special teams has been bad. We've been awful on punt and kick return coverage. If we can fix that it'll help our defense out greatly. It's hard to expect alot from the defense when the other teams keeps getting the ball at the 40. Also, I'd like to see more out of Dante. We aren't getting the great returns we're now accustomed to.
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10-08-2004, 12:55 PM	#5
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Offensive penalties are killing us too. They get in down and long situations that are hard to overcome, though they did a good job Monday night. Got to address the penalty problem on all sides of the ball. Stop shooting ourselves in the foot.
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10-08-2004, 12:53 PM	#6
jcroft Thread-Stopper Extrodinaire Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Casino cash: $10004900	To me, it's LBs, then ST coverage, then CBs. WR is still a weakness, but I beleive as long as Priest, Trent, and Tony G. are rolling, we can overcome that one fairly easily. The others are a bigger deal because we can't so easily "make up for them". __________________ Jeff Croft jeffcroft.com
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10-08-2004, 01:00 PM	#7
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Entangled parameters abound... When I look for the “critical need,” I try and figure out which segment of the game would immediately improve our chances to win. There is certainly a ripple effect and many segments overlap. For example, better ST coverage means worse field position for The Enemy, which means a longer field for the Defense to defend. Or better WRs means fewer punts, which means less time for the D on the field. Or a better punter, which means fewer line drive punts. However, since DV has already addressed the Baker Vs Cheek issue, this is a moot point. I see the most “bang for the buck” in ST coverage units giving the D a longer field to defend. I cannot quibble with anyone picking LBs [that would be my second choice], but I personally think a longer field can make our LBs [and the entire Defense] a little bit better. xoxo~ Gaz Not quite as concerned about WR as he was a couple weeks ago.
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10-08-2004, 12:56 PM	#8
Tinlar Yall Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Casino cash: $10054900	Critical first win, I'll show signs of happiness when we are 500 The defense didn't hold Lewis, not even a little. The offense kept him off the field and made the defense stats look promising at best. The Offense sparked, but it takes consistency to turn a spark into a fire and no one game, no matter how well played, can tell the tale of consistency. The Special Teams ... Yeah, until we get our punter back the Jury is still out on that. Our Punt returns have been good. Our kickoffs lacking. Our 3 pointers have been satisfying. Our punts laughable, but this isn't our punter anymore only an echo of pains from the past. Our current weakest point on our team is our medical staff, they look tired and exhausted but its undersandable considering how overworked they have been this year. __________________ It's not whether you win or lose that matters. It's whether we win or lose.
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