My mock with Johnson to us at 15

KevB · 04-22-2005, 04:44 PM

49ers - Alex Smith, Ultimately, they take the best player on their board

Dolphins - Ronnie Brown; They try to trade down...no takers

Vikings (from Browns) - Braylon Edwards; They give #7, their 2nd and next year's 2nd to get the best WR in the draft to replace Moss. Browns are willing to take less than "chart" value because they don't have a clue who to take at #3

Bears - Cedric Benson

Bucs - Caddy Williams

Titans - Pac Man Jones; I think they take Jones and his return ability

Browns - Aaron Rodgers; QBOTF, and QBs don't fall, despite all the speculation. Remember when we thought we might have a shot at Joey Heisman? He didn't fall either.

Cardinals - Antrel Rolle; giddy that Rolle fell to them

Skins - Carlos Rogers; replaces Smoot

Lions - Shawne Merriman; pass rushers are arguably the most coveted asset in a draft outside of QB

Cowboys - DeMarcus Ware; see explanation above

Chargers - Mike Williams; more weapons for Brees and LT

Texans - Alex Barron; more protection for David Carr, Brown's stock is going up with the belief he can play LT

Panthers - Troy Williamson; replaces Moose

Chiefs - Derrick Johnson; Party in the streets of KC

HolmeZz · 04-22-2005, 04:58 PM

Not all that unrealistic. I think if Johnson falls past Dallas, he very well could be ours.

NaptownChief · 04-22-2005, 05:08 PM

Johnson is taking a lot of crap in the media the passed few weeks over not being a good tackler and not taking on blockers...So it is certainly possible. Even after the Surtain trade I think they should still draft defense but now they can take best defensive player available. I would rank them like this:

1) Thomas Davis
2) Carlos Rogers
3) Derrick Johnson
4) Antrel Rolle
5) DeMarcus Ware
6) Shawn Merriman
7) Matt Roth

They come away with any of those guys, especially the top 4 they will be doing well IMHO.

Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on:

Marcus Spears

htismaqe · 04-22-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Johnson is taking a lot of crap in the media the passed few weeks over not being a good tackler and not taking on blockers...So it is certainly possible. Even after the Surtain trade I think they should still draft defense but now they can take best defensive player available. I would rank them like this:

1) Thomas Davis
2) Carlos Rogers
3) Derrick Johnson
4) Antrel Rolle
5) DeMarcus Ware
6) Shawn Merriman
7) Matt Roth

They come away with any of those guys, especially the top 4 they will be doing well IMHO.

Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on:

Marcus Spears

I can't believe how much we agree on this stuff. I'm not high on Merriman, though, just because I don't think he fits our defense. He's a good player though.

And I'd add Erasmus James there next to Spears.

NaptownChief · 04-22-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

And I'd add Erasmus James there next to Spears.

Amazing....I really contemplated for a while as to whether I would add James to that vastly overrated list...Gawd, being a Big 10 guy like you, I watched him play several games and you want to talk about sloppy looking...James takes that bill easy. Watch James play about two games and then go watch Roth play the same position and you will swear Matt Roth must be Superman if you believe all the hype about James.

htismaqe · 04-22-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Amazing....I really contemplated for a while as to whether I would add James to that vastly overrated list...Gawd, being a Big 10 guy like you, I watched him play several games and you want to talk about sloppy looking...James takes that bill easy. Watch James play about two games and then go watch Roth play the same position and you will swear Matt Roth must be Superman if you believe all the hype about James.

Exactly.

And the difference between the two? Roth's EFFORT.

**Skip Towne** · 04-22-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Not all that unrealistic. I think if Johnson falls past Dallas, he very well could be ours.

I thought Dallas picked at #20.

Hammock Parties · 04-22-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

I thought Dallas picked at #20.

They have two no. 1's.

|Zach| · 04-22-2005, 05:00 PM

Ok I am ready for this draft to happen. I am mocked out.

Hammock Parties · 04-22-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

Ok I am ready for this draft to happen. I am mocked out.

I've been mocked out for a ****ing month.

Calcountry · 04-22-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

I've been mocked out for a ****ing month.

Patience young Padowan, be mindful of where you're at. Something else to watch, soon you will have.

CanadaKC · 04-22-2005, 05:40 PM

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I obviously am in a great minority here. But I'm not that excited about DJ

....I think part of that is all the hype about him....and it makes fans nervous...but he does everything very well and is reminiscent of Julian Peterson of the 49ers. Hype can have the opposite effect...but it can also be worthy. I think it's the latter.

KevB · 04-22-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

Ok I am ready for this draft to happen. I am mocked out.

I am/was in the same boat until I knew we had Surtain in the fold. That opens some things back up for the Chiefs IMO. Plus, I think the info. that comes out within 24 hours of the draft tends to have some merit, so a mock is a little easier to craft.

Outside of that....if you don't want to read more mocks, why the heck did you open the thread?

Eleazar · 04-22-2005, 05:00 PM

I think this scenario is about as likely as the 9ers winning the super bowl next year, but I'd sure like it.

Wile_E_Coyote · 04-22-2005, 05:02 PM

I don't follow the draft threads all that much. Has the question been asked: is Johnson Gun's type of player?

04-22-2005, 04:44 PM	Topic Starter
KevB Agree to Disagree Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $10026612	My mock with Johnson to us at 15 49ers - Alex Smith, Ultimately, they take the best player on their board Dolphins - Ronnie Brown; They try to trade down...no takers Vikings (from Browns) - Braylon Edwards; They give #7, their 2nd and next year's 2nd to get the best WR in the draft to replace Moss. Browns are willing to take less than "chart" value because they don't have a clue who to take at #3 Bears - Cedric Benson Bucs - Caddy Williams Titans - Pac Man Jones; I think they take Jones and his return ability Browns - Aaron Rodgers; QBOTF, and QBs don't fall, despite all the speculation. Remember when we thought we might have a shot at Joey Heisman? He didn't fall either. Cardinals - Antrel Rolle; giddy that Rolle fell to them Skins - Carlos Rogers; replaces Smoot Lions - Shawne Merriman; pass rushers are arguably the most coveted asset in a draft outside of QB Cowboys - DeMarcus Ware; see explanation above Chargers - Mike Williams; more weapons for Brees and LT Texans - Alex Barron; more protection for David Carr, Brown's stock is going up with the belief he can play LT Panthers - Troy Williamson; replaces Moose Chiefs - Derrick Johnson; Party in the streets of KC
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04-22-2005, 05:08 PM	#3
NaptownChief Football Pimp Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indianapolis,IN Casino cash: $9974900	Johnson is taking a lot of crap in the media the passed few weeks over not being a good tackler and not taking on blockers...So it is certainly possible. Even after the Surtain trade I think they should still draft defense but now they can take best defensive player available. I would rank them like this: 1) Thomas Davis 2) Carlos Rogers 3) Derrick Johnson 4) Antrel Rolle 5) DeMarcus Ware 6) Shawn Merriman 7) Matt Roth They come away with any of those guys, especially the top 4 they will be doing well IMHO. Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on: Marcus Spears __________________ "We weren't worth a damn," the Kansas City Chiefs head coach said, shaking his head. "I'm not worth a damn. No one's worth a damn..." Former President of the Eric Downing Fan Club and Current President of the Kris"Secret Weapon"Wilson Fan Club
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\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3016768	Ok I am ready for this draft to happen. I am mocked out.
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Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I don't follow the draft threads all that much. Has the question been asked: is Johnson Gun's type of player?
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04-22-2005, 04:58 PM	#2
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Not all that unrealistic. I think if Johnson falls past Dallas, he very well could be ours.
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