Why is everyone freaking out over Roaf?

Moooo · 07-28-2006, 08:54 PM

Lets start off by saying I personally think he was the most important person on the Offense other than the Backfield (Gonzo included). I'm not debating his importance.

That being said, why is everyone going nuts? Its not like freaking out and panicking is solving the problem. At this point its in the hands of the coaching staff. They have a MONTH AND A HALF to figure out who will be the most reasonable suitor, and consequently get a good system going.

Everything I've seen says synchronization with the other members of the O-line and also the backfield is the most important aspect of the performance of a lineman. Whoever replaces him will have all that time to learn the subtleties of Waters, Green, LJ and the other linemen as well. Its not going to be like it was last year when the player was thrown in to an offense with players he wasn't used to working with, or an offense which is designed around a pro-bowl tackle. Now we have time to make the necessary changes to work with this accordingly.

I'm not putting people down for freaking out. I just don't get it at all... It doesn't make sense so if someone can explain why you freak out (when it doesn't make the situation better), I would appreciate it.

Moooo

**Rain Man** · 07-28-2006, 08:57 PM

Roaf is gone! He's gone! Do you understand this? Gone! He's not going to be back! He won't be playing! Gone! My Super Bowl dreams are dead! Dead, I say! Roaf is gone! He's not hear any more! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Wa-Z · 07-28-2006, 08:58 PM

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ChiefsFire · 07-28-2006, 09:05 PM

"Its the end of the world as we know it...."

milkman · 07-28-2006, 09:17 PM

Moooo, you're new here, aren't you?

Logical · 07-28-2006, 09:18 PM

My opinion is people had unrealistic expectations to begin with then let them get completely out of hand when we signed Ty Law. They have now had it all come crashing back to reality with the Roaf retirement and their expectations are laying scattered among broken dreams.

**alanm** · 07-29-2006, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Logical

My opinion is people had unrealistic expectations to begin with then let them get completely out of hand when we signed Ty Law. They have now had it all come crashing back to reality with the Roaf retirement and their expectations are laying scattered among broken dreams.

So all is right with your world Jim.

Chiefs Minor Satellite · 07-29-2006, 06:33 AM

As many people pointed out last week, one player is not going to make or break this team.

The operative word here people is TEAM.

I'm sure we are disappointed that Willie has decided to retire, but have you considered the fact that he might be doing so to give us a better chance to win? He might be hurting more than ever and knows deep in his soul that he cannot repeat his performances of the past.

Just throwing out something to consider.

Along another thought, there is far too much of a pessimistic outlook just as camp starts. With no known facts, other than Willie is retiring and camp is open some seem to have given up with the announcement. Wake up people, Willie is important but he was only one part of the equation.

**007** · 07-28-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFire

"Its the end of the world as we know it...."

and I feel fine.

mcan · 07-29-2006, 02:31 AM

I think we still have a way better than average O-Line.

We have a better than average center, a ProBowl Guard, and a Hall of Fame Guard. 3/5ths of our line is STACKED.

We have a potential pro-bowler with question marks in camp to play tackle, and a bevy of suitors to line up at the other spot. I think in the end we'll be at least AVERAGE at tackle.

We have a guy named DUNN, who is essentially as good as any decent tackle lining up at TE.

We also have one of the best offensive line coaches as our offensive coordinator. He's done nothing but churn out GREAT O-linemen since he got to KC back in the 90s.

Last year when Roaf went down, we lost a lot of games, but here are our averages in those games, and our points scored...

Week 2: Raiders (W)
Rushing: 125 yards
Passing: 237 yards
Points: 23
(very respectable numbers and a win)

Week 3: Donkeys (L)
Rushing: 74 yards
Passing: 221
Points: 10
(Denver scored 17 first quarter points, and we became one dimentional. We only attempted 22 runs, and threw the ball 44 times)

Week 4: Eagles (L)
Rushing: 144 yards
Passing: 221 yards
Points: 31
(By all rights, not having Roaf didn't cost us this game. We imploded after half time. We also threw 2 picks, lost 2 fumbles and our defense gave up HUGE plays).

Week 9: Raiders (W)
Rushing: 114
Passing: 235
Points: 27
(By the end of the game, our offense was as good as ever. We scored 3 TDs in our last 4 drives. Unfortunately our defense let the Faides score TDs on both of their last two possessions and the game was closer than it should have been).

Week 10: Buffalo (L)
Rushing: 150 yards
Passing: 220 yards
Points: 3
(Yuck. This is the game that everybody is afraid of. Trent was sacked 6 times and threw 3 BIG picks. We also missed two field goals and lost a fumble. We also couldn't convert a couple of 4th down tries late in the game. But we did manage to run for 150 yards, so I think we can chalk this one up to a bad day. It proves that even when we are out of cync, Larry can have a BIG day anyway).

Week 11: Texans (W)
Rushing: 226
Passing: 220
Points: 45
(Nobody remembers this game? Larry ran for over 200, and we marched up and down the field all day. Trent did not get sacked all day. We did throw one pick, but other than that, the day was flawless. A shining example of how this offense CAN work without Willie).

That's it. Roaf is listed as the starter for the rest of the games, and that includes losses against: San Diego, Dallas, and NY Giants...

tk13 · 07-29-2006, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcan

I think we still have a way better than average O-Line.

We have a better than average center, a ProBowl Guard, and a Hall of Fame Guard. 3/5ths of our line is STACKED.

We have a potential pro-bowler with question marks in camp to play tackle, and a bevy of suitors to line up at the other spot. I think in the end we'll be at least AVERAGE at tackle.

We have a guy named DUNN, who is essentially as good as any decent tackle lining up at TE.

We also have one of the best offensive line coaches as our offensive coordinator. He's done nothing but churn out GREAT O-linemen since he got to KC back in the 90s.

Last year when Roaf went down, we lost a lot of games, but here are our averages in those games, and our points scored...

Week 2: Raiders (W)
Rushing: 125 yards
Passing: 237 yards
Points: 23
(very respectable numbers and a win)

Week 3: Donkeys (L)
Rushing: 74 yards
Passing: 221
Points: 10
(Denver scored 17 first quarter points, and we became one dimentional. We only attempted 22 runs, and threw the ball 44 times)

Week 4: Eagles (L)
Rushing: 144 yards
Passing: 221 yards
Points: 31
(By all rights, not having Roaf didn't cost us this game. We imploded after half time. We also threw 2 picks, lost 2 fumbles and our defense gave up HUGE plays).

Week 9: Raiders (W)
Rushing: 114
Passing: 235
Points: 27
(By the end of the game, our offense was as good as ever. We scored 3 TDs in our last 4 drives. Unfortunately our defense let the Faides score TDs on both of their last two possessions and the game was closer than it should have been).

Week 10: Buffalo (L)
Rushing: 150 yards
Passing: 220 yards
Points: 3
(Yuck. This is the game that everybody is afraid of. Trent was sacked 6 times and threw 3 BIG picks. We also missed two field goals and lost a fumble. We also couldn't convert a couple of 4th down tries late in the game. But we did manage to run for 150 yards, so I think we can chalk this one up to a bad day. It proves that even when we are out of cync, Larry can have a BIG day anyway).

Week 11: Texans (W)
Rushing: 226
Passing: 220
Points: 45
(Nobody remembers this game? Larry ran for over 200, and we marched up and down the field all day. Trent did not get sacked all day. We did throw one pick, but other than that, the day was flawless. A shining example of how this offense CAN work without Willie).

That's it. Roaf is listed as the starter for the rest of the games, and that includes losses against: San Diego, Dallas, and NY Giants...

Roaf was huge in that Eagles game. That was the game where Tony G. only had 2 catches for 5 yards and everybody including Tony threw a fit, because we needed extra blockers to pick up the Eagles blitz packages. If I remember correctly, Troy Aikman wouldn't shut up about it on the FOX broadcast.

I think we have a better than average offensive line, but there was a significant drop off without Roaf in there. We really didn't play anybody with Roaf hurt... those were supposed to be the easy games. The three wins we got without him were over teams with a combined 10-38 record. And our only two losses to teams with losing records game when he was out, Buffalo and Philly. Plus Trent only had like a 78 QB rating, etc. Just not very efficient.

We certainly have to do better... Roaf's a HOF'er but we can find a LT that played better than Black did last year, maybe Black himself will play better. I think it can be done, just not sure who is going to step up and get us there though. That's the scary part.

listopencil · 07-28-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Moooo

That being said, why is everyone going nuts?
Moooo

The same reason us Bronco fans freaked out when our O-Line started coming apart years ago. The O-Line is a team within the team. Having a truly superior O-Line depends on lots of variables and it's awesome to see it click. Losing an OT or a Center is huge. Losing a LT can ruin the O-Line altogether.

Moooo · 07-28-2006, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil

The same reason us Bronco fans freaked out when our O-Line started coming apart years ago. The O-Line is a team within the team. Having a truly superior O-Line depends on lots of variables and it's awesome to see it click. Losing an OT or a Center is huge. Losing a LT can ruin the O-Line altogether.

Yes, but freaking out doesn't make the situation better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Moooo, you're new here, aren't you?

What I find here is not exclusive to ChiefsPlanet. It seems to happen in a lot of places. I don't understand panic. Then again I'm not very emotional. I don't get a lot of funny things, or sad things or things like this as well...

Moooo

listopencil · 07-28-2006, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moooo

Yes, but freaking out doesn't make the situation better.

What I find here is not exclusive to ChiefsPlanet. It seems to happen in a lot of places. I don't understand panic. Then again I'm not very emotional. I don't get a lot of funny things, or sad things or things like this as well...

Moooo

Yeah, freaking out about it doesn't help, but when you think you have a strength going into the season only to have that turned into a weakness on the opening day of Training Camp it forces you to re-evaluate your team. As I see Logical has already pointed out in his own way.

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Moooo Seeking Enlightenment... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Springfield Casino cash: $10004900	Why is everyone freaking out over Roaf? Lets start off by saying I personally think he was the most important person on the Offense other than the Backfield (Gonzo included). I'm not debating his importance. That being said, why is everyone going nuts? Its not like freaking out and panicking is solving the problem. At this point its in the hands of the coaching staff. They have a MONTH AND A HALF to figure out who will be the most reasonable suitor, and consequently get a good system going. Everything I've seen says synchronization with the other members of the O-line and also the backfield is the most important aspect of the performance of a lineman. Whoever replaces him will have all that time to learn the subtleties of Waters, Green, LJ and the other linemen as well. Its not going to be like it was last year when the player was thrown in to an offense with players he wasn't used to working with, or an offense which is designed around a pro-bowl tackle. Now we have time to make the necessary changes to work with this accordingly. I'm not putting people down for freaking out. I just don't get it at all... It doesn't make sense so if someone can explain why you freak out (when it doesn't make the situation better), I would appreciate it. Moooo
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07-29-2006, 06:33 AM	#9
Chiefs Minor Satellite Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Lansing - State Penn Casino cash: $10004900	As many people pointed out last week, one player is not going to make or break this team. The operative word here people is TEAM. I'm sure we are disappointed that Willie has decided to retire, but have you considered the fact that he might be doing so to give us a better chance to win? He might be hurting more than ever and knows deep in his soul that he cannot repeat his performances of the past. Just throwing out something to consider. Along another thought, there is far too much of a pessimistic outlook just as camp starts. With no known facts, other than Willie is retiring and camp is open some seem to have given up with the announcement. Wake up people, Willie is important but he was only one part of the equation.
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07-29-2006, 02:31 AM	#11
mcan Apr 13,1949 – Dec 15, 2011 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9996085	I think we still have a way better than average O-Line. We have a better than average center, a ProBowl Guard, and a Hall of Fame Guard. 3/5ths of our line is STACKED. We have a potential pro-bowler with question marks in camp to play tackle, and a bevy of suitors to line up at the other spot. I think in the end we'll be at least AVERAGE at tackle. We have a guy named DUNN, who is essentially as good as any decent tackle lining up at TE. We also have one of the best offensive line coaches as our offensive coordinator. He's done nothing but churn out GREAT O-linemen since he got to KC back in the 90s. Last year when Roaf went down, we lost a lot of games, but here are our averages in those games, and our points scored... Week 2: Raiders (W) Rushing: 125 yards Passing: 237 yards Points: 23 (very respectable numbers and a win) Week 3: Donkeys (L) Rushing: 74 yards Passing: 221 Points: 10 (Denver scored 17 first quarter points, and we became one dimentional. We only attempted 22 runs, and threw the ball 44 times) Week 4: Eagles (L) Rushing: 144 yards Passing: 221 yards Points: 31 (By all rights, not having Roaf didn't cost us this game. We imploded after half time. We also threw 2 picks, lost 2 fumbles and our defense gave up HUGE plays). Week 9: Raiders (W) Rushing: 114 Passing: 235 Points: 27 (By the end of the game, our offense was as good as ever. We scored 3 TDs in our last 4 drives. Unfortunately our defense let the Faides score TDs on both of their last two possessions and the game was closer than it should have been). Week 10: Buffalo (L) Rushing: 150 yards Passing: 220 yards Points: 3 (Yuck. This is the game that everybody is afraid of. Trent was sacked 6 times and threw 3 BIG picks. We also missed two field goals and lost a fumble. We also couldn't convert a couple of 4th down tries late in the game. But we did manage to run for 150 yards, so I think we can chalk this one up to a bad day. It proves that even when we are out of cync, Larry can have a BIG day anyway). Week 11: Texans (W) Rushing: 226 Passing: 220 Points: 45 (Nobody remembers this game? Larry ran for over 200, and we marched up and down the field all day. Trent did not get sacked all day. We did throw one pick, but other than that, the day was flawless. A shining example of how this offense CAN work without Willie). That's it. Roaf is listed as the starter for the rest of the games, and that includes losses against: San Diego, Dallas, and NY Giants...
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