Rewatching the Giants Game

jspchief · 08-17-2006, 10:06 PM

The miracle of Tivo has allowed me to rewatch tonight's game, complete with slo-mo and frame by frame viewing.

So far I've watched the first few series by both teams and here are my thoughts:

Defense:
1. Eric Hicks is clueless. Not only does he not have the speed or strength, he doesn't have the brains. His reaction at the snap seems to have no bearing on the ball or the play that develops. He just starts running to a spot on the field regardless of whether it factors in the play. LDE play immediately improved when Wilkerson came in.

2. Our scheme is fucked. Amani Toomer and Plaxico Burress had numerous occasions when they were lined up against LBs. It was an easy read for the QB and a wide open reception for the WR. Kendrell Bell is especially bad in coverage. Teams will be able to exploit this scheme the same way all year unless changes are made. Our safeties are taken out of the equation because they play so deep.

3. Our DTs played OK. Not great, but not bad either. The apparent lack of pass rush had more to do with Manning have quick options to get rid of the ball (LB on WR).

Offense:
1. Turley was out of his league. Over the course of a full game, he would get abused by someone (Yumenyora?) with that much speed and strength. He's going to need to put on weight or he will be abused by powerful ends all year.

2. Chris Bober sucks. He was getting beat or missing his assignment on a regular basis. I expect a glaring improvement with the return of Waters.

3. Sampson is not Welbourne. Whether it's his feet or just a strength issue, he gets knocked off balance a lot. He'll be the weak point on our line most likely.

4. LJ's pass blocking is very solid. He picked up pretty much everything, the only miss being a result of Bober missing his man leaving LJ to face two guys.

5. The play-calling kind of sucked. For whatever reason, this offense doesn't seem to have pass packages that exploit the blitz. If we ran the same patterns New York ran, Green could have got rid of the ball a lot quicker, taking the pressure of his line in the face of the blitz. Gonzo needs to start shortening his routes, or a WR is going to have to cross more often.

When I watch more, I'll post more thoughts, but this includes pretty much all of the play from the starters.

KevB · 08-17-2006, 10:10 PM

Hicks has been a good soldier, but he's completely without value at this point. He probably shouldn't even make this team, much less be in the DE rotation. What speed and strength he may have had has been washed away with time, and his recognition (as stated above) doesn't make up for it. He's a non-factor, who never has to be chipped or accounted for by a back or TE.

jspchief · 08-17-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB

Hicks has been a good soldier, but he's completely without value at this point. He probably shouldn't even make this team, much less be in the DE rotation. What speed and strength he may have had has been washed away with time, and his recognition (as stated above) doesn't make up for it. He's a non-factor, who never has to be chipped or accounted for by a back or TE.

I agree. I'm on record here as saying he's not as bad as he's been made out to be. I thought he'd still be a solid part of the rotation.

But after last week and really concentrating on his play this week, i realize the guy doesn't have any positives. His experience apparently hasn't taught him the things that might diguise his lack of athleticism.

After seeing Wilkerson play so much better, unless Hali is a total bust, I see no reason to pay Hicks the 2+ million he's due this year.

**RealSNR** · 08-17-2006, 10:21 PM

I agree with everything you posted, jsp.

Players who looked good:

Derrick Johnson
Wilkerson
Jeff Webb
Safeties
Scanlon

Players who sucked:

Chris Bober (It needs to be said again)
All the right tackles
Dalton

Boomer (I noticed several times when he just got overpowered on a block to the point of just getting pushed out of the play. Many times he didn't wrap up when he tackled, and it was lucky that we had other guys to help him with it. He needs more strength, and he's not going to get that from writing cheesy journal entries to fans)

**ChiTown** · 08-17-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Boomer (I noticed several times when he just got overpowered on a block to the point of just getting pushed out of the play. Many times he didn't wrap up when he tackled, and it was lucky that we had other guys to help him with it. He needs more strength, and he's not going to get that from writing cheesy journal entries to fans)

Boomer reminds me where Kawicka was in his 1st year. Relying too much on speed and not enough on technique.

Oh, and Bober is just gawdawful bad.

**noa** · 08-17-2006, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Boomer reminds me where Kawicka was in his 1st year. Relying too much on speed and not enough on technique.

Oh, and Bober is just gawdawful bad.

Bober is bad, but fortunately, we have a guy named Brian Waters to play LG for a few years to come.

FringeNC · 08-17-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Boomer reminds me where Kawicka was in his 1st year. Relying too much on speed and not enough on technique.

Oh, and Bober is just gawdawful bad.

Yeah, Jordan black sucks at OT, but he's a better guard than Bober. Has Bober beat him out for the backup spot?

**dirk digler** · 08-17-2006, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

The miracle of Tivo has allowed me to rewatch tonight's game, complete with slo-mo and frame by frame viewing.

So far I've watched the first few series by both teams and here are my thoughts:

Defense:
1. Eric Hicks is clueless. Not only does he not have the speed or strength, he doesn't have the brains. His reaction at the snap seems to have no bearing on the ball or the play that develops. He just starts running to a spot on the field regardless of whether it factors in the play. LDE play immediately improved when Wilkerson came in.

2. Our scheme is fucked. Amani Toomer and Plaxico Burress had numerous occasions when they were lined up against LBs. It was an easy read for the QB and a wide open reception for the WR. Kendrell Bell is especially bad in coverage. Teams will be able to exploit this scheme the same way all year unless changes are made. Our safeties are taken out of the equation because they play so deep.

3. Our DTs played OK. Not great, but not bad either. The apparent lack of pass rush had more to do with Manning have quick options to get rid of the ball (LB on WR).

Offense:
1. Turley was out of his league. Over the course of a full game, he would get abused by someone (Yumenyora?) with that much speed and strength. He's going to need to put on weight or he will be abused by powerful ends all year.

2. Chris Bober sucks. He was getting beat or missing his assignment on a regular basis. I expect a glaring improvement with the return of Waters.

3. Sampson is not Welbourne. Whether it's his feet or just a strength issue, he gets knocked off balance a lot. He'll be the weak point on our line most likely.

4. LJ's pass blocking is very solid. He picked up pretty much everything, the only miss being a result of Bober missing his man leaving LJ to face two guys.

5. The play-calling kind of sucked. For whatever reason, this offense doesn't seem to have pass packages that exploit the blitz. If we ran the same patterns New York ran, Green could have got rid of the ball a lot quicker, taking the pressure of his line in the face of the blitz. Gonzo needs to start shortening his routes, or a WR is going to have to cross more often.

When I watch more, I'll post more thoughts, but this includes pretty much all of the play from the starters.

Thanks jsp! When Toomer or Burress was lined up against a LB was it a 3 WR set or just 2? If it was 3 we should have been in a nickel I would have thought.

jspchief · 08-17-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Thanks jsp! When Toomer or Burress was lined up against a LB was it a 3 WR set or just 2? If it was 3 we should have been in a nickel I would have thought.

Their 3 WR set was up against our base 4-3 a lot. The only catch by either of those guys that was against the nickel was Toomer's TD, and Sapp got chipped on that play. Burress was lined up in the slot against Bell at one point, making for an easy 9 yard gain.

My only hope is that it was by design. That it really was about being vanilla and maybe getting our LBs some coverage experience. otherwise, we're going to get dinked and dunked to a 32 ranking in pass D.

**dirk digler** · 08-17-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Their 3 WR set was up against our base 4-3 a lot. The only catch by either of those guys that was against the nickel was Toomer's TD, and Sapp got chipped on that play. Burress was lined up in the slot against Bell at one point, making for an easy 9 yard gain.

My only hope is that it was by design. That it really was about being vanilla and maybe getting our LBs some coverage experience. otherwise, we're going to get dinked and dunked to a 32 ranking in pass D.

Thanks and great info. Damn I wish I had TIVO.

Mecca · 08-17-2006, 10:15 PM

That is exactly what I saw with Turley also, Umeyiora abused him. Now Osi is one of the best DE's in the game right now and very few teams have ends like the Giants do so that's good for us but....Anytime we face a team that has an elite pass rusher I'm expecting a long day.

Mecca · 08-17-2006, 10:16 PM

Also the safeties are so deep because they both lack speed, it's the only way they can get into their deep zones. If we had the speed there we needed they could play closer and still get back.

jspchief · 08-17-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Also the safeties are so deep because they both lack speed, it's the only way they can get into their deep zones. If we had the speed there we needed they could play closer and still get back.

It won't matter how slow our safeties are if we keep this up. The only time they'll factor in is in cleanup duty.

Mecca · 08-17-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

It won't matter how slow our safeties are if we keep this up. The only time they'll factor in is in cleanup duty.

Wesley and Knight do not fit this defense at all, they're far to slow to play the defense. They'll probably be non factors everytime we're in the cover 2 look. It'll be great when we're in the cover 2 and a RB get's through the front 7 because they'll be 20 yards before the safeties get to them.

BIG K · 08-17-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Also the safeties are so deep because they both lack speed, it's the only way they can get into their deep zones. If we had the speed there we needed they could play closer and still get back.

Who were the safeties at that point in time that you refer? I did not see the game.....

08-17-2006, 10:06 PM	Topic Starter
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Rewatching the Giants Game The miracle of Tivo has allowed me to rewatch tonight's game, complete with slo-mo and frame by frame viewing. So far I've watched the first few series by both teams and here are my thoughts: Defense: 1. Eric Hicks is clueless. Not only does he not have the speed or strength, he doesn't have the brains. His reaction at the snap seems to have no bearing on the ball or the play that develops. He just starts running to a spot on the field regardless of whether it factors in the play. LDE play immediately improved when Wilkerson came in. 2. Our scheme is fucked. Amani Toomer and Plaxico Burress had numerous occasions when they were lined up against LBs. It was an easy read for the QB and a wide open reception for the WR. Kendrell Bell is especially bad in coverage. Teams will be able to exploit this scheme the same way all year unless changes are made. Our safeties are taken out of the equation because they play so deep. 3. Our DTs played OK. Not great, but not bad either. The apparent lack of pass rush had more to do with Manning have quick options to get rid of the ball (LB on WR). Offense: 1. Turley was out of his league. Over the course of a full game, he would get abused by someone (Yumenyora?) with that much speed and strength. He's going to need to put on weight or he will be abused by powerful ends all year. 2. Chris Bober sucks. He was getting beat or missing his assignment on a regular basis. I expect a glaring improvement with the return of Waters. 3. Sampson is not Welbourne. Whether it's his feet or just a strength issue, he gets knocked off balance a lot. He'll be the weak point on our line most likely. 4. LJ's pass blocking is very solid. He picked up pretty much everything, the only miss being a result of Bober missing his man leaving LJ to face two guys. 5. The play-calling kind of sucked. For whatever reason, this offense doesn't seem to have pass packages that exploit the blitz. If we ran the same patterns New York ran, Green could have got rid of the ball a lot quicker, taking the pressure of his line in the face of the blitz. Gonzo needs to start shortening his routes, or a WR is going to have to cross more often. When I watch more, I'll post more thoughts, but this includes pretty much all of the play from the starters.
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08-17-2006, 10:10 PM	#2
KevB Agree to Disagree Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $10026612	Hicks has been a good soldier, but he's completely without value at this point. He probably shouldn't even make this team, much less be in the DE rotation. What speed and strength he may have had has been washed away with time, and his recognition (as stated above) doesn't make up for it. He's a non-factor, who never has to be chipped or accounted for by a back or TE.
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08-17-2006, 10:21 PM	#4
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1504792	I agree with everything you posted, jsp. Players who looked good: Derrick Johnson Wilkerson Jeff Webb Safeties Scanlon Players who sucked: Chris Bober (It needs to be said again) All the right tackles Dalton Boomer (I noticed several times when he just got overpowered on a block to the point of just getting pushed out of the play. Many times he didn't wrap up when he tackled, and it was lucky that we had other guys to help him with it. He needs more strength, and he's not going to get that from writing cheesy journal entries to fans)
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08-17-2006, 10:15 PM	#11
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-682950	That is exactly what I saw with Turley also, Umeyiora abused him. Now Osi is one of the best DE's in the game right now and very few teams have ends like the Giants do so that's good for us but....Anytime we face a team that has an elite pass rusher I'm expecting a long day.
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08-17-2006, 10:16 PM	#12
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-682950	Also the safeties are so deep because they both lack speed, it's the only way they can get into their deep zones. If we had the speed there we needed they could play closer and still get back.
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