Are We Heading Back To The 90's

PinkFloyd · 10-18-2006, 04:56 PM

What's wrong with the Chiefs ? Why can't this organization spend the mola to get a "complete" team ? With our history, it's either no offense and all defense or no defense and all offense... The 90's saw the top rated defense and an offense that was capable of scoring just enough points to squeak by --- or getting their asses kicked...

Now today --- the defense is improving and the offense is starting to stall... With Trent Green coming back --- whenever that is --- will that improve the offense ?? Do we really miss Holmes running the ball ?? Is LJ having the sophomore jinx ?? Or is the offense taking a dive due to Saunders departing ??

I'm 41 years old, and I'm pretty convinced that I will never see another Chiefs team win the Super Bowl... If they do, I'll probably be in a nursing home with "old-timers" and not even have a fricking clue that they won !!

So people -- other than using Herm as an excuse --- what's the problem ?? Oh; and you can't include Carl "It's Allllllll My Money" Peterson...

With not being able to use those two reason's, this might not have much a discussion...

**Baby Lee** · 10-18-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkfloyd

What's wrong with the Chiefs ? Why can't this organization spend the mola to get a "complete" team ? With our history, it's either no offense and all defense or no defense and all offense... The 90's saw the top rated defense and an offense that was capable of scoring just enough points to squeak by --- or getting their asses kicked...

Now today --- the defense is improving and the offense is starting to stall... With Trent Green coming back --- whenever that is --- will that improve the offense ?? Do we really miss Holmes running the ball ?? Is LJ having the sophomore jinx ?? Or is the offense taking a dive due to Saunders departing ??

I'm 41 years old, and I'm pretty convinced that I will never see another Chiefs team win the Super Bowl... If they do, I'll probably be in a nursing home with "old-timers" and not even have a fricking clue that they won !!

So people -- other than using Herm as an excuse --- what's the problem ?? Oh; and you can't include Carl "It's Allllllll My Money" Peterson...

With not being able to use those two reason's, this might not have much a discussion...

Said it the instant the news broke, Roaf fooked us, with no vaseline, just a match and little bit of gasoline.
Green out isn't much of a help, either.

bushmaster · 10-18-2006, 04:59 PM

our drafts have sucked.

Dark Horse · 10-18-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkfloyd

What's wrong with the Chiefs ? Why can't this organization spend the mola to get a "complete" team ? With our history, it's either no offense and all defense or no defense and all offense... The 90's saw the top rated defense and an offense that was capable of scoring just enough points to squeak by --- or getting their asses kicked...

Now today --- the defense is improving and the offense is starting to stall... With Trent Green coming back --- whenever that is --- will that improve the offense ?? Do we really miss Holmes running the ball ?? Is LJ having the sophomore jinx ?? Or is the offense taking a dive due to Saunders departing ??

I'm 41 years old, and I'm pretty convinced that I will never see another Chiefs team win the Super Bowl... If they do, I'll probably be in a nursing home with "old-timers" and not even have a fricking clue that they won !!

So people -- other than using Herm as an excuse --- what's the problem ?? Oh; and you can't include Carl "It's Allllllll My Money" Peterson...

With not being able to use those two reason's, this might not have much a discussion...

All in all your just another brick in the wall.

**Easy 6** · 10-18-2006, 05:05 PM

With Trent back in a week or 2, Welbourne returning, Turley healthy for atleast awhile and the belief that Solari will get more creative with Green back i dont think the O will fall off the map just yet.

MichaelH · 10-18-2006, 05:09 PM

I am convinced that no matter who the head coach, OC or DC is, that Carl Peterson is the only reason why the Chiefs will never make it through the playoffs.

milkman · 10-18-2006, 05:16 PM

The problem, as I see it, is that Carl has given his coaching staffs far to much voice in player evaluation and talent.

In the Martyocre years, the defnsive drafts were fairly solid, but he and his offensive staffs were terrible at evaluating offensive talent.

When Gunt was HC, well, that was two years lost.

In Dick's tenure, the draft was a hit and miss proposition.

The one area that we've had consistently done well in is the later rounds, where we seem to always find unexpected gems.

IMO, the coach and his staff should have a smaller voice, and Chuck Cook's input should be given far more weight in the early rounds.

**Skip Towne** · 10-18-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The problem, as I see it, is that Carl has given his coaching staffs far to much voice in player evaluation and talent.

In the Martyocre years, the defnsive drafts were fairly solid, but he and his offensive staffs were terrible at evaluating offensive talent.

When Gunt was HC, well, that was two years lost.

In Dick's tenure, the draft was a hit and miss proposition.

The one area that we've had consistently done well in is the later rounds, where we seem to always find unexpected gems.

IMO, the coach and his staff should have a smaller voice, and Chuck Cook's input should be given far more weight in the early rounds.

The way I understood it, Marty had a long running fued with Carl over control of personnel decisions. It was a power struggle Marty lost so he left.

**HemiEd** · 10-18-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

The way I understood it, Marty had a long running fued with Carl over control of personnel decisions. It was a power struggle Marty lost so he left.

I thought "real Deal's" girlfriend was the reason Marty left.

milkman · 10-18-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

The way I understood it, Marty had a long running fued with Carl over control of personnel decisions. It was a power struggle Marty lost so he left.

I'm familiar with that speculation, and I don't doubt it.

We do know that Carl doesn't always accede to his coach's choice, and I would imagine there were a couple of instances that Marty felt strongly enough that he wanted to be the guy with the final choice.

Deberg_1990 · 10-18-2006, 05:02 PM

Whats the one common denominator in the 90's and 2000's....

Carl Peterson. Nuff said.

Crashride · 10-18-2006, 05:03 PM

Actually the NFL is rigged, they know who is going to win the superbowl and or be successful before the season starts. They decide who is going to win each week by means of rock paper scissors. Carl just happens to be on a loosing streak.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-18-2006, 05:20 PM

Because we have no concept of how to field a complete team, and the players that we do have don't fit our current scheme (look at our defense right now...it should be setup like the Chiefs D of the 1990's in scheme and design, but instead Herm wants it to be a Tampa clone and we don't have the safeties or the DTs for that scheme)

Carl is a lot of, but who is the dumb sonofabitch who keeps Carl on...Lamar. He's a great guy, but he doesn't really seem to have the vision or drive to run an NFL franchise anymore. He collects his millions off of it and he's content with that. It's a long way from the days when he was content to lose a $1 million a year and blow it off with "I can run this team for another 100 years at this pace).

djrcmay · 10-18-2006, 05:52 PM

im afraid its the 80's

KC Jones · 10-18-2006, 06:08 PM

If by 90's you mean 90-97 where we made the playoffs several times and even the AFC championshiip once....

no.

10-18-2006, 04:56 PM	Topic Starter
PinkFloyd I've Become - Comfortably Numb Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Cameron, Missouri Casino cash: $10003795	Are We Heading Back To The 90's What's wrong with the Chiefs ? Why can't this organization spend the mola to get a "complete" team ? With our history, it's either no offense and all defense or no defense and all offense... The 90's saw the top rated defense and an offense that was capable of scoring just enough points to squeak by --- or getting their asses kicked... Now today --- the defense is improving and the offense is starting to stall... With Trent Green coming back --- whenever that is --- will that improve the offense ?? Do we really miss Holmes running the ball ?? Is LJ having the sophomore jinx ?? Or is the offense taking a dive due to Saunders departing ?? I'm 41 years old, and I'm pretty convinced that I will never see another Chiefs team win the Super Bowl... If they do, I'll probably be in a nursing home with "old-timers" and not even have a fricking clue that they won !! So people -- other than using Herm as an excuse --- what's the problem ?? Oh; and you can't include Carl "It's Allllllll My Money" Peterson... With not being able to use those two reason's, this might not have much a discussion...
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10-18-2006, 04:59 PM	#3
bushmaster Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	our drafts have sucked.
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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $-212225	With Trent back in a week or 2, Welbourne returning, Turley healthy for atleast awhile and the belief that Solari will get more creative with Green back i dont think the O will fall off the map just yet.
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10-18-2006, 05:09 PM	#6
MichaelH Go Chiefs! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gastonia, North Carolina Casino cash: $9192006	I am convinced that no matter who the head coach, OC or DC is, that Carl Peterson is the only reason why the Chiefs will never make it through the playoffs.
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10-18-2006, 05:16 PM	#7
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	The problem, as I see it, is that Carl has given his coaching staffs far to much voice in player evaluation and talent. In the Martyocre years, the defnsive drafts were fairly solid, but he and his offensive staffs were terrible at evaluating offensive talent. When Gunt was HC, well, that was two years lost. In Dick's tenure, the draft was a hit and miss proposition. The one area that we've had consistently done well in is the later rounds, where we seem to always find unexpected gems. IMO, the coach and his staff should have a smaller voice, and Chuck Cook's input should be given far more weight in the early rounds. __________________
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $74454	Whats the one common denominator in the 90's and 2000's.... Carl Peterson. Nuff said. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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10-18-2006, 05:03 PM	#12
Crashride We got DANCERS in tampa Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Casino cash: $10004900	Actually the NFL is rigged, they know who is going to win the superbowl and or be successful before the season starts. They decide who is going to win each week by means of rock paper scissors. Carl just happens to be on a loosing streak.
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10-18-2006, 05:20 PM	#13
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Because we have no concept of how to field a complete team, and the players that we do have don't fit our current scheme (look at our defense right now...it should be setup like the Chiefs D of the 1990's in scheme and design, but instead Herm wants it to be a Tampa clone and we don't have the safeties or the DTs for that scheme) Carl is a lot of, but who is the dumb sonofabitch who keeps Carl on...Lamar. He's a great guy, but he doesn't really seem to have the vision or drive to run an NFL franchise anymore. He collects his millions off of it and he's content with that. It's a long way from the days when he was content to lose a $1 million a year and blow it off with "I can run this team for another 100 years at this pace). __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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djrcmay Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ozark, Mo. Casino cash: $10004900	im afraid its the 80's
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10-18-2006, 06:08 PM	#15
KC Jones Genious Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $10012761	If by 90's you mean 90-97 where we made the playoffs several times and even the AFC championshiip once.... no.
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