Your Thoughts on the Cover 2

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2007, 07:51 AM

I hate it.

I hated it in Tampa, and I hate it here. I can't imagine a worse scheme for any defensive coordinator to design. It's not a "scheme" at all, basically it says--go make a play. It's the easiest defense to exploit for weak-armed quarterbacks (due to the soft middle). The Cover 2 requires so much talent to work correctly that unless you are coaching the NFC Pro Bowl roster, you're fucked.

I'm also infuriated by the fact that we are implementing a system that does not fit the talents of our players. We don't have Cover 2 LBs, and we don't have Cover 2 DT's.

Look at the difference between the Bears D and the Philly D. Philly can switch out nearly anyone and their defense still gets it done. The Bears lose Tommy Harris and Mike Brown and now they are a sieve.

KC-TBB · 01-08-2007, 07:53 AM

No...but I believe we have a Head Coach that is going to stubbornly stick to whatever he likes...no matter if it works or not.

KCJohnny · 01-08-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KC-TBB

No...but I believe we have a Head Coach that is going to stubbornly stick to whatever he likes...no matter if it works or not.

That's what DV did in 2001 with Ramifization. Maybe it will be gangbusters in '08...

**TinyEvel** · 01-09-2007, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KC-TBB

No...but I believe we have a Head Coach that is going to stubbornly stick to whatever he likes...no matter if it works or not.

Sadly, frustatingly, I think you're right.

DaWolf · 01-09-2007, 12:38 AM

Uhh, it's better than GRob's "spinner" d?

Honestly, any defense can look good with talent. It's when you don't have talent that the scheme comes into play big time to try and hide those deficiencies. We didn't really see a pure cover-2 this year because, well, we don't have the personnel to play a solid pure cover-2. So it was a hybrid.

I really don't care about what defense we run as long as it stops opponents and creates turnovers...

RedThat · 01-09-2007, 01:11 AM

I dont mind the scheme because it's a very sound scheme and it increases the defense chances of preventing the BIG play. The only thing I dont like about it, is, it's not an aggresive style of defense.

I just think if you look at our defense as a whole, we build it totally opposite of how a cover 2 is supposed to built. We have 2 good corners, 2 good defensive ends, and a good OLB.

But you really have to have a good line to make a cover 2 bode well, and also a good MLB, and safeties. I think that the biggest problem with our defense. We dont have a strong middle. Thats something REALLY essential if you want to run a cover 2 defense.

If we can build the middle of our defense, you'll see the cover 2 scheme at its best.

Silock · 01-08-2007, 08:04 AM

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the system provided you have the players to run it. We need to upgrade the DTs and LBs aside from DJ. So, that's at least 4 players needed in the offseason to really run it like it needs to be (maybe 3 if Keyaron Fox can learn to tackle and take Bell's spot).

**Skip Towne** · 01-08-2007, 08:07 AM

The Spinner is much more entertaining.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2007, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the system provided you have the players to run it.

John Lynch, Derrick Brooks, Warren Sapp, a young Booger McFarland, Ronde Barber, Simeon Rice....

Brian Urlacher, Mike Brown, Nathan Vasher, Tommie Harris, Lance Briggs, Alex Brown....

Do you realize how much talent you need to make this scheme *work*??

Silock · 01-08-2007, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

John Lynch, Derrick Brooks, Warren Sapp, a young Booger McFarland, Ronde Barber, Simeon Rice....

Brian Urlacher, Mike Brown, Nathan Vasher, Tommie Harris, Lance Briggs, Alex Brown....

Do you realize how much talent you need to make this scheme *work*??

Yeah, I get it, and we have talent. DJ, Hali, Allen, Page, Pollard, Surtain, Law... that's 7 of the 11 players you need. Yes, we'll need some fresh blood on the corners within the next 2 years, but Law and Surtain are more than capable of starting and playing well provided we get a decent pass rush out of our front 4 on a consistent basis.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock

Yeah, I get it, and we have talent. DJ, Hali, Allen, Page, Pollard, Surtain, Law... that's 7 of the 11 players you need. Yes, we'll need some fresh blood on the corners within the next 2 years, but Law and Surtain are more than capable of starting and playing well provided we get a decent pass rush out of our front 4 on a consistent basis.

And given DJ's speed in blitzing situations , Bell's proven ability to rush the quarterback (but liability in coverage), and Law and Surtain's ability to man up against a WR, wouldn't it stand to reason that this team is constructed to play a man-blitzing scheme so that the DT's don't cause us to get gashed in the passing game??

trndobrd · 01-08-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

And given DJ's speed in blitzing situations , Bell's proven ability to rush the quarterback (but liability in coverage), and Law and Surtain's ability to man up against a WR, wouldn't it stand to reason that this team is constructed to play a man-blitzing scheme so that the DT's don't cause us to get gashed in the passing game??

But Herm runs a cover-2 defense.

Silock · 01-08-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

And given DJ's speed in blitzing situations , Bell's proven ability to rush the quarterback (but liability in coverage), and Law and Surtain's ability to man up against a WR, wouldn't it stand to reason that this team is constructed to play a man-blitzing scheme so that the DT's don't cause us to get gashed in the passing game??

I don't think Bell will be here next year.

But the addition of two good, young safeties should say something.

**morphius** · 01-08-2007, 08:23 AM

I didn't mind it this week, because we actually played up on the WR and occasionally even attempted some bumping. But lining 10 yards off of the guy is awful no matter how you do it.

HonestChieffan · 01-08-2007, 09:42 AM

It works if you have the players but to use Cover 2 regardless is insane. Thats Herms problem...he bought the system but no speakers. Herm would buy dvds and no player, hold em up to the light and say he can see the movie.

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01-08-2007, 07:51 AM	Topic Starter
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Your Thoughts on the Cover 2 I hate it. I hated it in Tampa, and I hate it here. I can't imagine a worse scheme for any defensive coordinator to design. It's not a "scheme" at all, basically it says--go make a play. It's the easiest defense to exploit for weak-armed quarterbacks (due to the soft middle). The Cover 2 requires so much talent to work correctly that unless you are coaching the NFC Pro Bowl roster, you're fucked. I'm also infuriated by the fact that we are implementing a system that does not fit the talents of our players. We don't have Cover 2 LBs, and we don't have Cover 2 DT's. Look at the difference between the Bears D and the Philly D. Philly can switch out nearly anyone and their defense still gets it done. The Bears lose Tommy Harris and Mike Brown and now they are a sieve.
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01-08-2007, 07:53 AM	#2
KC-TBB It is, what it is... Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Harpers Ferry, WV Casino cash: $4485719	No...but I believe we have a Head Coach that is going to stubbornly stick to whatever he likes...no matter if it works or not.
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01-09-2007, 12:38 AM	#5
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Uhh, it's better than GRob's "spinner" d? Honestly, any defense can look good with talent. It's when you don't have talent that the scheme comes into play big time to try and hide those deficiencies. We didn't really see a pure cover-2 this year because, well, we don't have the personnel to play a solid pure cover-2. So it was a hybrid. I really don't care about what defense we run as long as it stops opponents and creates turnovers...
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01-09-2007, 01:11 AM	#6
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I dont mind the scheme because it's a very sound scheme and it increases the defense chances of preventing the BIG play. The only thing I dont like about it, is, it's not an aggresive style of defense. I just think if you look at our defense as a whole, we build it totally opposite of how a cover 2 is supposed to built. We have 2 good corners, 2 good defensive ends, and a good OLB. But you really have to have a good line to make a cover 2 bode well, and also a good MLB, and safeties. I think that the biggest problem with our defense. We dont have a strong middle. Thats something REALLY essential if you want to run a cover 2 defense. If we can build the middle of our defense, you'll see the cover 2 scheme at its best.
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01-08-2007, 08:04 AM	#7
Silock MVP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10020882	There is absolutely nothing wrong with the system provided you have the players to run it. We need to upgrade the DTs and LBs aside from DJ. So, that's at least 4 players needed in the offseason to really run it like it needs to be (maybe 3 if Keyaron Fox can learn to tackle and take Bell's spot).
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01-08-2007, 08:07 AM	#8
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01-08-2007, 08:23 AM	#14
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $5695027	I didn't mind it this week, because we actually played up on the WR and occasionally even attempted some bumping. But lining 10 yards off of the guy is awful no matter how you do it.
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01-08-2007, 09:42 AM	#15
HonestChieffan Seeking the Truth daily Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $-1675691	It works if you have the players but to use Cover 2 regardless is insane. Thats Herms problem...he bought the system but no speakers. Herm would buy dvds and no player, hold em up to the light and say he can see the movie. __________________ "We read books for knowledge; We read the Bible for wisdom!"
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