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Old 09-21-2007, 07:02 PM   Topic Starter
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San Diego Joins the 21st Century supports gay marriage.
Do you know where your city stands. Would you support a Mayor that voted to suppurt gay marriage or would you try to recall him/her?
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By Matthew T. Hall
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
6:19 p.m. September 19, 2007

Mayor Jerry Sanders reversed his position on gay marriage Wednesday, supporting it in emotional remarks punctuated by pauses, shaking sips of water and his wife's hand resting one time reassuringly on his back.
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A day after staff members said Sanders would veto it, the mayor announced that he would sign a City Council resolution passed Tuesday that directed the City Attorney's Office to file a brief in support of gay marriage. The council voted 5-3 to send the brief to the state Supreme Court backing an end to the state's ban on same-sex marriage. Similar briefs have been sent by other cities, which like San Diego, are not directly involved in the case. Almost 200 people attended the council hearing on the issue, with gay marriage supporters arguing for equal treatment under the law, and opponents contending marriage should be between a man and a woman. “As I reflected on the choices that I had before me last night I could just not bring myself to tell an entire group of people in our community they were less important, less worthy or less deserving of the rights and responsibilities of marriage than anyone else simply because of their sexual orientation,” Sanders said. In a reference to his daughter and two staff members who are gay, he said, “I want for them the same thing that we all want for our loved ones, for each of them to find a mate whom they love deeply and loves them back, someone with whom they can grow old together and share life's experiences, and I want their relationships to be protected equally under the law.” In his 2005 mayoral campaign, Sanders said he supported civil unions and domestic partnerships but not gay marriage. “I have personally wrestled with that opinion ever since,” he said Wednesday his voice wavering. “My opinions on this issue have evolved significantly as I think the opinions of millions of Americans from all walks of life have.” In a nod to those who don't support gay marriage, he said, “I acknowledge that not all members of our community will agree or even understand.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:03 PM   #2
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:03 PM   #3
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:06 PM   #4
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I'm not in a city, so there's no mayor to support or recall. But if I were, I'd support him/her. I'm in favor of gay civil marriage.

On the other hand, if my pastor announced that he was going to begin performing gay marriages in our church, I'd do what I could to get the board of elders to remove him. If that didn't work I'd be shopping for a new church.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:07 PM   #5
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:09 PM   #6
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i think if somebody tried to recall a mayor that supported gay marriage, they would be a conservative dumbass bastard... If a gay person wants to get married, it has nothing to do with anybody but the couple that wants it...
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:17 PM   #7
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i think if somebody tried to recall a mayor that supported gay marriage, they would be a conservative dumbass bastard... If a gay person wants to get married, it has nothing to do with anybody but the couple that wants it...
Yeah, sure, until they decide they want to raise children.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:19 PM   #8
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Yeah, sure, until they decide they want to raise children.
if they want to, thats fine too.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:22 PM   #9
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if they want to, thats fine too.
So it wouldn't bother you that "Billy with two dads" is getting his ass kicked at school everyday? No child should be subjected to that.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:24 PM   #10
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So it wouldn't bother you that "Billy with two dads" is getting his ass kicked at school everyday? No child should be subjected to that.
That's a stupid reason to oppose gays raising children and I'm not sure how it even pertains to the issue of marriage. They can raise kids regardless.
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So it wouldn't bother you that "Billy with two dads" is getting his ass kicked at school everyday? No child should be subjected to that.
most of the time other children wouldnt know that the child has 2 dads. but in my honest opinion, a little hazing only makes somebody stronger. if thats the only reason to make it so 2 men cant have a child though, then its not enough, in my opinion. this is all my opinion, so idk.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:28 PM   #12
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So it wouldn't bother you that "Billy with two dads" is getting his ass kicked at school everyday? No child should be subjected to that.
No kid should get tried for a hate crime either, but the first time that happens and makes the news, you'll have a courthouse full of advocates lobbying to try the kids under federal hate crime legislation.
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So it wouldn't bother you that "Billy with two dads" is getting his ass kicked at school everyday? No child should be subjected to that.

Based on that stupid ****ing argument I'd say you've got about the perfect avatar there, Corky.
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So it wouldn't bother you that "Billy with two dads" is getting his ass kicked at school everyday? No child should be subjected to that.
Well it happens in California every day with out incident, though I assume that's "unheard of" in Nebraska. Not surprising.

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Sorry, but I simply don't believe it's just going to be "some" bullying. Any childs life in that situation would be a living hell. Perhaps someday we may get to the point where that's not the case, but we're sure as heck not there yet.
Living hell? WTF? ALL of the gay parent that I know are EXTREMELY successful. Like $500k per year or more. These children are privy to private schools, amazing neighborhoods and loving parents.

Children only behave the way they're taught to behave. Fortunately, I don't know of any circumstances similar to your fear.

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Are you going to deny homosexuality carries a greater stigma than someone of mixed races?
Stigma? Where the fuck do you live or should I say, what time period? There are "mixed" race children all over the country that don't deal with any "stigma". Apparently though, that "stigma" still exists in Nebraska. Not surprising.

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You're putting words in my mouth, where on earth did I say it was ok in a mixed-race situation? I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this, but I'm neither mixed race nor was I raised by gay parents so I honestly don't know if one would be truly worse than the other. I do believe we've come a lot farther when it comes to race than we have with homosexuality in this country, therefore the mixed race should less likely be a problem.
Problem. Heh. YOU and people like YOU are the problem.

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The fact that kids might be picked upon for having gay "parents" is pretty low down my list of reasons why gays shouldn't be awarded children. Gay parents shouldn't be allowed to raise kids because parents are male and female. Even the term "Gay Parents" is an oxymoron. Gay parental figures can't be parents because they're simply not equipped to be parents. I'm no expert on this but it's my opinion. I don't care if it's PC or popular or what. I just don't feel it's right.
I like you very much, Mr. Phobia but I'm quite shocked at this response. I guess if I'd never come face-to-face with caring, kind, intelligent and successful gay couples, I might feel the same way. But trust me, it's better for these children live with loving parents of the same sex than live in foster care or an orphanage.

Keep in mind that not just any homosexual person or couple is going to want to adopt. It's very expensive to adopt a child and it's even more difficult for gays to go through the screening process. It's safe to say that gay couples who adopt want to raise a child as much or more than straight couple who adopt.
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Old 09-23-2007, 08:21 AM   #15
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So it wouldn't bother you that "Billy with two dads" is getting his ass kicked at school everyday? No child should be subjected to that.
Who would be kicking his ass every day? Your knuckle-dragging simian offspring? You realize that kids don't just come up with these prejudices on their own, right?

A kid growing up in a house with two loving parents beats an orphanage all day, every day. Period.
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