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Old 03-19-2008, 12:20 PM   Topic Starter
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Which team would you become a fan of ...
... if Herm has been signed to a contract extension or something else similarly awful?
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:30 PM   #2
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As much as I want Herm and Carl gone, they won't chase me off from being a Chiefs fan, and living in Denver it's not like I spend a lot of money on them, so they don't even really impact my spending.

The only thing that would've really shaken my faith would've been signing Romanowski or Smellway. I would have a really hard time tolerating either of those two on my team.
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:31 PM   #3
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:33 PM   #4
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Still be a fan, but an extension will guarantee that my sundays will be free for many years to come....

I would probably just follow the games and recaps on Chiefsplanet and forgo the rest.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:55 PM   #5
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I would probably just follow the games and recaps on Chiefsplanet and forgo the rest.
I had a horrible idea... What if the Chiefs got so bad that we would have to delegate one of us on the board to bite the bullet and watch the game giving the rest of us the recap and play by play. I wouldn't have to yell at the TV anymore! Nah... Horrible Idea!
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Old 03-20-2008, 07:15 AM   #6
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I had a horrible idea... What if the Chiefs got so bad that we would have to delegate one of us on the board to bite the bullet and watch the game giving the rest of us the recap and play by play. I wouldn't have to yell at the TV anymore! Nah... Horrible Idea!
Well someone should have to be miserable for us...

FWIW, I dont mind the Chiefs being bad and "rebuilding", What is making it unbearable is the morans that are in control. Remove Carl and Herm, and the stadium would fill back up win or lose. Its called "hope", with Carl and Herm there is no such thing.
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Old 03-20-2008, 07:26 AM   #7
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Remove Carl and Herm, and the stadium would fill back up win or lose. Its called "hope", with Carl and Herm there is no such thing.
I'm not sure I'd bet on that. I'd say we've reached the point where the only thing that'll fill up arrowhead is winning. 10 years is a long time to suck, and, hell, the exodus started back about 1999. Even then, TV stations in town were buying thousands of tickets a week in November and December to keep the games on the air, and it's been a steady spiral downwards since.
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Old 03-20-2008, 07:44 AM   #8
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Judging by the state of the team today and what it will likely look like at the end of Carl Peterson's tenure one can only wonder if he regrets signing that extension.

In 2005 he could have retired with a winning team under his belt (yes, it was a house of cards but still) and looked smart for drafting Larry Johnson.

Instead there's a very real possibility he'll look like a stubborn GM who didn't know when to pass the torch an be escorted out of town by pitchfork and torch.

Scarier; will the next GM even want Herm and will the team be starting over yet again?

Lesson to be learned here boys: know when to call it quits.
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Old 03-20-2008, 07:51 AM   #9
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I'm not sure I'd bet on that. I'd say we've reached the point where the only thing that'll fill up arrowhead is winning. 10 years is a long time to suck, and, hell, the exodus started back about 1999. Even then, TV stations in town were buying thousands of tickets a week in November and December to keep the games on the air, and it's been a steady spiral downwards since.
Well not being in the local market, I didnt know that information. Thanks!
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:53 PM   #10
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... if Herm has been signed to a contract extension or something else similarly awful?
I'd still be a fan and I wouldn't consider it awful.

1 - I like Herm's philosophy of playing young players, developing your own franchise QB, not wasting $$ on bigtime FAs, and he knows defense.... See our historically bad D prior to his arrival. It's getting better.

2 - Understand this.... No coach was going to come in here after the mess DV created and have a good squad. It was a ticking timebomb. No coach.

Now is he perfect? Far from it. I think he needs to hire a clock management coach. Is he a little more conservative than what I'd like? Yes. But that formula has proven to win. See last year in Tom Coughlin. Same guy. Same style of play.

Guy doesn't even get a chance to rebuild an old, bad team and everybody and their mom wants to run him off.
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:56 PM   #11
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I'd still be a fan and I wouldn't consider it awful.

1 - I like Herm's philosophy of playing young players, developing your own franchise QB, not wasting $$ on bigtime FAs, and he knows defense.... See our historically bad D prior to his arrival. It's getting better.

2 - Understand this.... No coach was going to come in here after the mess DV created and have a good squad. It was a ticking timebomb. No coach.

Now is he perfect? Far from it. I think he needs to hire a clock management coach. Is he a little more conservative than what I'd like? Yes. But that formula has proven to win. See last year in Tom Coughlin. Same guy. Same style of play.

Guy doesn't even get a chance to rebuild an old, bad team and everybody and their mom wants to run him off.
No offense, but most people saw what he built in NYJ and didnt want that mess here... Alot of us never wanted him in the first place, like myself, I thought he was pathetic in NYJ and laughed, maucked them for having Herm as a coach... Now I am ashamed to almost be called a Chiefs fan with him here...

No mater what he does, I cant stand him and want him gone.. He is a losing POS.....
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:54 PM   #12
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Now I am ashamed to almost be called a Chiefs fan with him here...
Very telling, intentional or not.
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:29 PM   #13
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No offense, but most people saw what he built in NYJ and didnt want that mess here... Alot of us never wanted him in the first place, like myself, I thought he was pathetic in NYJ and laughed, maucked them for having Herm as a coach... Now I am ashamed to almost be called a Chiefs fan with him here...

No mater what he does, I cant stand him and want him gone.. He is a losing POS.....
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I'd still be a fan and I wouldn't consider it awful.

1 - I like Herm's philosophy of playing young players, developing your own franchise QB, not wasting $$ on bigtime FAs, and he knows defense.... See our historically bad D prior to his arrival. It's getting better.

2 - Understand this.... No coach was going to come in here after the mess DV created and have a good squad. It was a ticking timebomb. No coach.

Now is he perfect? Far from it. I think he needs to hire a clock management coach. Is he a little more conservative than what I'd like? Yes. But that formula has proven to win. See last year in Tom Coughlin. Same guy. Same style of play.

Guy doesn't even get a chance to rebuild an old, bad team and everybody and their mom wants to run him off.
That pretty much sums up my feelings on herm.

I don't "support" him in the sense that I'm a herm-homer, but I think he deserves a valid chance to succeed or fail, and that chance should be based solely on what he does here. His record in New York (whether you're on the side of "4 playoff appearances in 6 years" or "mediocre coach who never bettered 10-6") is all but irrelevant to me.

I write off 2006 because I think he let himself be convinced that this was a good veteran team (which could be construed as a mark against him), and because of that, he didn't start the rebuild until last offseason. And make no mistake, I think the rebuild did start last year, I don't think it's starting now.

I think there are signs that Carl has either ceded a degree of control, or been asked to get out of his way, as well, so if he doesn't turn this ship by 2009, then it's nobody's fault but his own.

However, he clearly doesn't deserve an extension now. That would make even less sense after a 4-12 season than Carl's last extension following (IIRC) a 6-10 year. While I appreciate valuing loyalty, I think the goal of this endeavor is to win, and nothing says "mediocrity is okay" quite as well as extending a guy after a losing campaign.
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Old 03-20-2008, 07:23 AM   #15
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2 - Understand this.... No coach was going to come in here after the mess DV created and have a good squad. It was a ticking timebomb. No coach.
Bingo - Vermy set this franchise back years, coming here with the sole purpose of showing that he was the "mastermind" behind the '99 Rams explosion.
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