Chiefs Whitlock: Some thoughts on Gonzalez, Huard and other Chiefs

**Tribal Warfare** · 10-02-2008, 11:15 PM

Some thoughts on Gonzalez, Huard and other Chiefs

Here are a few thoughts on the Chiefs as I sit here passing the time waiting on the biggest television event of my lifetime, Palin vs. Biden, The Thrilla with No Vanilla.”

•Tony Gonzalez’s immature reaction to not breaking the tight-end receiving record after Sunday’s victory over the Broncos was disappointing.

The Chiefs broke a 12-game losing streak, lifted themselves from being leaguewide laughingstocks, and Gonzalez thinks it’s appropriate to pout because he won’t break the yardage record at Arrowhead Stadium and have a brief on-field ceremony.

Wow. I’m “highly disappointed,” too.

Let’s say the Chiefs were getting plastered last week and Gonzalez broke the record late in the fourth quarter, would he have met with reporters after the game and talked about breaking the record?

Would he have said, “Yeah, the record doesn’t mean anything since we lost”? Or would he have dressed quickly and left the locker room, embarrassed by another defeat?

Not a good look, Tony. Not a good look at all.

•As long as Damon Huard is able to stand, put his hands under center and bark signals, he should remain Kansas City’s starting quarterback this season.

Even if he throws four interceptions against Carolina, he should remain KC’s starter when Brodie Croyle returns. Huard is a journeyman quarterback. He will not play lights out week to week. He will always be inconsistent.

But he clearly gives the Chiefs their best chance at winning this season. When Croyle returns, he should play from off the bench when Huard struggles or gets momentarily banged up.

Playing off the bench gives Croyle a better shot at developing confidence and handling the mental pressure of being an NFL QB. The Chiefs will learn more about Croyle with him subbing. They should already know he’s not their QB of the future (too injury prone). The question now is Croyle KC’s No. 2 quarterback of the future?

•Glenn Dorsey has not been effective through four NFL games.

I’m nowhere near ready to label him a bust. I am willing to admit concern. He seems to lack explosion in his lower and upper body. His punch seems ineffective, and his feet don’t appear to be all that quick. That’s not a good combination. Right now, he plays like a guy who needs to spend a solid year in the weight room.

That’s not all that unusual for rookie defensive tackles. Many of them come out of college with no real understanding of how to prepare physically for NFL success. You can get away with being out of shape in college. You get exposed in the NFL.

•Branden Albert dislocated his elbow moments after I commented about how well he was playing against the Broncos.

I like Albert. He has a bright future. He had good technique on his pass sets, and he tried to deliver a blow in the run game.

Herb Taylor shocked the heck out of me with his solid performance in relief of Albert. When Albert returns, Taylor might warrant a look at replacing Damion McIntosh on the right side.

•Larry Johnson did a great job last week when he interacted with Jim Brown during our town-hall discussion at the Gem Theater.

Larry offered some thoughtful commentary about current players providing support to retired NFL veterans, was very respectful in his comments toward Brown and played along and laughed when I asked him some tough questions about the then-winless Chiefs.

It was good to see the nonangry side of Larry.

After the Denver game, Kolby Smith asked me whether Jim Brown would be willing to come in every week to motivate Larry.

I’m working on it.

•No one is talking about it, but I thought Bernard Pollard played one of his better games against the Broncos.

Other than Derrick Johnson, who was marvelous, I thought Pollard was KC’s best defender on Sunday. He was a physical, sure tackler, and I thought he displayed a quickness that he didn’t have last season when he was 20 pounds heavier.

**Buehler445** · 10-02-2008, 11:28 PM

One of Whitlocks more disappointing articles

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Some thoughts on Gonzalez, Huard and other Chiefs

Here are a few thoughts on the Chiefs as I sit here passing the time waiting on the biggest television event of my lifetime, Palin vs. Biden, The Thrilla with No Vanilla.”

•Tony Gonzalez’s immature reaction to not breaking the tight-end receiving record after Sunday’s victory over the Broncos was disappointing.

The Chiefs broke a 12-game losing streak, lifted themselves from being leaguewide laughingstocks, and Gonzalez thinks it’s appropriate to pout because he won’t break the yardage record at Arrowhead Stadium and have a brief on-field ceremony.

Wow. I’m “highly disappointed,” too.

Let’s say the Chiefs were getting plastered last week and Gonzalez broke the record late in the fourth quarter, would he have met with reporters after the game and talked about breaking the record?

Would he have said, “Yeah, the record doesn’t mean anything since we lost”? Or would he have dressed quickly and left the locker room, embarrassed by another defeat?

Not a good look, Tony. Not a good look at all.

Eh Whatever.

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

•As long as Damon Huard is able to stand, put his hands under center and bark signals, he should remain Kansas City’s starting quarterback this season.

Even if he throws four interceptions against Carolina, he should remain KC’s starter when Brodie Croyle returns. Huard is a journeyman quarterback. He will not play lights out week to week. He will always be inconsistent.

But he clearly gives the Chiefs their best chance at winning this season. When Croyle returns, he should play from off the bench when Huard struggles or gets momentarily banged up.

Playing off the bench gives Croyle a better shot at developing confidence and handling the mental pressure of being an NFL QB. The Chiefs will learn more about Croyle with him subbing. They should already know he’s not their QB of the future (too injury prone). The question now is Croyle KC’s No. 2 quarterback of the future?

Not only is this stupid, but he contradicts himself. Huard should start every game even if he throws four INTs. BUT Croyle should play if Huard struggles....hmmmm...

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

•Glenn Dorsey has not been effective through four NFL games.

I’m nowhere near ready to label him a bust. I am willing to admit concern. He seems to lack explosion in his lower and upper body. His punch seems ineffective, and his feet don’t appear to be all that quick. That’s not a good combination. Right now, he plays like a guy who needs to spend a solid year in the weight room.

That’s not all that unusual for rookie defensive tackles. Many of them come out of college with no real understanding of how to prepare physically for NFL success. You can get away with being out of shape in college. You get exposed in the NFL.

Maybe, but there aren't a lot of DTs that tear it up the first year.

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

•Branden Albert dislocated his elbow moments after I commented about how well he was playing against the Broncos.

I like Albert. He has a bright future. He had good technique on his pass sets, and he tried to deliver a blow in the run game.

Herb Taylor shocked the heck out of me with his solid performance in relief of Albert. When Albert returns, Taylor might warrant a look at replacing Damion McIntosh on the right side.

McIntosh should have been the backup LT or just damn released and Herbie should be on the right side from the start. Not exactly groundbreaking Whitlock.

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

•Larry Johnson did a great job last week when he interacted with Jim Brown during our town-hall discussion at the Gem Theater.

Larry offered some thoughtful commentary about current players providing support to retired NFL veterans, was very respectful in his comments toward Brown and played along and laughed when I asked him some tough questions about the then-winless Chiefs.

It was good to see the nonangry side of Larry.

After the Denver game, Kolby Smith asked me whether Jim Brown would be willing to come in every week to motivate Larry.

I’m working on it.

OK...

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

•No one is talking about it, but I thought Bernard Pollard played one of his better games against the Broncos.

Other than Derrick Johnson, who was marvelous, I thought Pollard was KC’s best defender on Sunday. He was a physical, sure tackler, and I thought he displayed a quickness that he didn’t have last season when he was 20 pounds heavier.

I thought Pollard's play had improved this year also, but Williams or Carr stole the show on Defense on Sunday. Not Pollard. But Pollard has been playing better.

Sure-Oz · 10-02-2008, 11:49 PM

I heard Sedrick Ellis has been pretty solid for NO, but he may have an injured knee now

**Tribal Warfare** · 10-03-2008, 12:00 AM

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go

Dorsey's not doing too bad amongst other rookie D-linemen

**KcMizzou** · 10-03-2008, 12:04 AM

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•Tony Gonzalez’s immature reaction to not breaking the tight-end receiving record after Sunday’s victory over the Broncos was disappointing.

The Chiefs broke a 12-game losing streak, lifted themselves from being leaguewide laughingstocks, and Gonzalez thinks it’s appropriate to pout because he won’t break the yardage record at Arrowhead Stadium and have a brief on-field ceremony.

Wow. I’m “highly disappointed,” too.

Let’s say the Chiefs were getting plastered last week and Gonzalez broke the record late in the fourth quarter, would he have met with reporters after the game and talked about breaking the record?

Would he have said, “Yeah, the record doesn’t mean anything since we lost”? Or would he have dressed quickly and left the locker room, embarrassed by another defeat?

Not a good look, Tony. Not a good look at all.

I completely agree with this. (And I'm a huge Tony G. fan.)

If one of his teammates had said it, fine...

Coming from him... it's a little disappointing.

**alanm** · 10-03-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go

Dorsey's not doing too bad amongst other rookie D-linemen

Leading all rookie DT in tackles.

H2O 1, J.D. 0 · 10-03-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Leading all rookie DT in tackles.

Virginia Tech 35 Nebraska 30

**KcMizzou** · 10-03-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by H2O 1, J.D. 0

Virginia Tech 35 Nebraska 30

I'm a Mizzou fan (obviously). And I'm curious what that has to do with anything.

If you're a Mizzou fan too, you should be ashamed of yourself.

**alanm** · 10-03-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

I'm a Mizzou fan (obviously). And I'm curious what that has to do with anything.

If you're a Mizzou fan too, you should be ashamed of yourself.

If you're 12 yrs old it matters.

**Buehler445** · 10-04-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

I'm a Mizzou fan (obviously). And I'm curious what that has to do with anything.

If you're a Mizzou fan too, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Mother****er seriously has nothing to do on a Friday night than troll.

milkman · 10-04-2008, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go

Dorsey's not doing too bad amongst other rookie D-linemen

Did they just forget to list Trevor Laws stats?

smittysbar · 10-04-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Did they just forget to list Trevor Laws stats?

findthedr would be pissed

**Buehler445** · 10-04-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Did they just forget to list Trevor Laws stats?

just......

Deberg_1990 · 10-03-2008, 06:05 AM

My thoughts on all this:

JWhit is 100% correct.

HypnotizedMonkey · 10-03-2008, 06:26 AM

I still refuse to see any point in leaving Croyle on the bench. This season was (and still is IMO) about seeing if this guy has what it takes. People get hurt in this game. Huard should remain #2 with a medium to short leash on Croyle. So Croyle fails... 1. We get a high draft spot... 2. We are SURE where he stands as a QB, and 3. It's not like we'll MAKE the playoffs anyway, and even if by some miracle we DO... what can you expect then?? not much. If Croyle doesn't fail, by which I mean he shows that he has the fortitude to stick it out and makes plays four quarters at a time and doesn't give the game away (a la Huard), then we can use a high draft pick on another position that needs bolstering. The guy hasn't played behind a solid O-line yet. KC has what looks to be an O-line coming together...FINALLY. Plus, the D is playing inspired ball.. which makes life a lot easier on a QB. I won't go out on a limb and say he's GOING to fail, or WILL succeed... but I just don't think he's had his fair shot yet.

10-02-2008, 11:15 PM	Topic Starter
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-3087187	Whitlock: Some thoughts on Gonzalez, Huard and other Chiefs Some thoughts on Gonzalez, Huard and other Chiefs Here are a few thoughts on the Chiefs as I sit here passing the time waiting on the biggest television event of my lifetime, Palin vs. Biden, The Thrilla with No Vanilla.” •Tony Gonzalez’s immature reaction to not breaking the tight-end receiving record after Sunday’s victory over the Broncos was disappointing. The Chiefs broke a 12-game losing streak, lifted themselves from being leaguewide laughingstocks, and Gonzalez thinks it’s appropriate to pout because he won’t break the yardage record at Arrowhead Stadium and have a brief on-field ceremony. Wow. I’m “highly disappointed,” too. Let’s say the Chiefs were getting plastered last week and Gonzalez broke the record late in the fourth quarter, would he have met with reporters after the game and talked about breaking the record? Would he have said, “Yeah, the record doesn’t mean anything since we lost”? Or would he have dressed quickly and left the locker room, embarrassed by another defeat? Not a good look, Tony. Not a good look at all. •As long as Damon Huard is able to stand, put his hands under center and bark signals, he should remain Kansas City’s starting quarterback this season. Even if he throws four interceptions against Carolina, he should remain KC’s starter when Brodie Croyle returns. Huard is a journeyman quarterback. He will not play lights out week to week. He will always be inconsistent. But he clearly gives the Chiefs their best chance at winning this season. When Croyle returns, he should play from off the bench when Huard struggles or gets momentarily banged up. Playing off the bench gives Croyle a better shot at developing confidence and handling the mental pressure of being an NFL QB. The Chiefs will learn more about Croyle with him subbing. They should already know he’s not their QB of the future (too injury prone). The question now is Croyle KC’s No. 2 quarterback of the future? •Glenn Dorsey has not been effective through four NFL games. I’m nowhere near ready to label him a bust. I am willing to admit concern. He seems to lack explosion in his lower and upper body. His punch seems ineffective, and his feet don’t appear to be all that quick. That’s not a good combination. Right now, he plays like a guy who needs to spend a solid year in the weight room. That’s not all that unusual for rookie defensive tackles. Many of them come out of college with no real understanding of how to prepare physically for NFL success. You can get away with being out of shape in college. You get exposed in the NFL. •Branden Albert dislocated his elbow moments after I commented about how well he was playing against the Broncos. I like Albert. He has a bright future. He had good technique on his pass sets, and he tried to deliver a blow in the run game. Herb Taylor shocked the heck out of me with his solid performance in relief of Albert. When Albert returns, Taylor might warrant a look at replacing Damion McIntosh on the right side. •Larry Johnson did a great job last week when he interacted with Jim Brown during our town-hall discussion at the Gem Theater. Larry offered some thoughtful commentary about current players providing support to retired NFL veterans, was very respectful in his comments toward Brown and played along and laughed when I asked him some tough questions about the then-winless Chiefs. It was good to see the nonangry side of Larry. After the Denver game, Kolby Smith asked me whether Jim Brown would be willing to come in every week to motivate Larry. I’m working on it. •No one is talking about it, but I thought Bernard Pollard played one of his better games against the Broncos. Other than Derrick Johnson, who was marvelous, I thought Pollard was KC’s best defender on Sunday. He was a physical, sure tackler, and I thought he displayed a quickness that he didn’t have last season when he was 20 pounds heavier.
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10-03-2008, 12:00 AM	#4
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-3087187	http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go Dorsey's not doing too bad amongst other rookie D-linemen __________________
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10-03-2008, 06:05 AM	#14
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $14454	My thoughts on all this: JWhit is 100% correct. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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10-03-2008, 06:26 AM	#15
HypnotizedMonkey usually hooplah is involved Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Casino cash: $10004925	I still refuse to see any point in leaving Croyle on the bench. This season was (and still is IMO) about seeing if this guy has what it takes. People get hurt in this game. Huard should remain #2 with a medium to short leash on Croyle. So Croyle fails... 1. We get a high draft spot... 2. We are SURE where he stands as a QB, and 3. It's not like we'll MAKE the playoffs anyway, and even if by some miracle we DO... what can you expect then?? not much. If Croyle doesn't fail, by which I mean he shows that he has the fortitude to stick it out and makes plays four quarters at a time and doesn't give the game away (a la Huard), then we can use a high draft pick on another position that needs bolstering. The guy hasn't played behind a solid O-line yet. KC has what looks to be an O-line coming together...FINALLY. Plus, the D is playing inspired ball.. which makes life a lot easier on a QB. I won't go out on a limb and say he's GOING to fail, or WILL succeed... but I just don't think he's had his fair shot yet.
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