Symbolism: From Dates To Planes

FedEx Marty · 09-11-2001, 11:46 AM

Somebody else mentioned this earlier: "9-11".

As I woke up this morning about a 10 till 6 out in Arizona, I woke to see something quite odd on TV. As my eyes grogged-out and I could see, I knew something wasn't right. Then, just minutes later another plane crashed into the WTC.

The date? 9-11-01. The symbolism: You call that number when you have an emergency and today we had one.

The other thing that I find interesting is the choice of airlines: American & United. It really doesn't take a genius to understand the meaning of this.

Sadly, we lost a lot of good people today. People that didn't deserve to die. More importantly, terroism has finally become entrenched on American soil. We have done our share to protect the world in all corners from Idonesia to Khazitkhan. Now, we have to address the issue and align ourselves with foreign countries and bring mass-terroism to an end before more attacks like this occur.

Like it or not, but the way the world opperates changed today. Our freedom was challenged. Our way of life was challenged. How we respond will ultimately decide how countries deal with us. How President Bush responds will send a strong message that he is either a leader or a coward. Our response needs to be swift, severe and memorable.

If it is discovered that Osama bin Laden was responsible...well, we need to sweep Afghanistan until we find him.

In closing, I leave you with this:

"Demonstrators distributed candy in a traditional gesture of celebration. Several Palestinian gunmen shot in the air, while other marchers carried Palestinian flags. Nawal Abdel Fatah, 48, wearing a long, black dress, threw sweets in the air, saying she was happy because "America is the head of the snake, America always stands by Israel in its war against us."

My response:

*****, you haven't seen a snake this pissed off.

Clint in Wichita · 09-11-2001, 12:08 PM

I think the "911" thing is a coincidence. Those religious psychos don't even know what "911" is.

In their homeland, the equivalent of 911 is a camel carrying brown ground water.

As far as the airlines of choice, they were going after the planes with the most fuel. United and American are 2 of the most popular airlines in the country, so if you hijack planes ANYWHERE in the country, there's a good chance that at least one of them would be from one of these airlines.

They LEVELED the WORLD TRADE CENTER! I don't think the name on the side of the airplane is needed to get their point across.

memyselfI · 09-11-2001, 12:10 PM

Don't underestimate ANY seemingly coincidental symbolism here...

to do so would be a huge mistake.

Trust me, symbollism is huge with these people.

HC_Chief · 09-11-2001, 12:14 PM

911 means nothing outside of the US.

The date is a coincidence - and it does not matter what these dirtballs consider 'symbolic'... nor does the importance of such.

An act of war must be dealt with swiftly and with deadly efficiency.

Clint in Wichita · 09-11-2001, 12:14 PM

Symbolism may be huge with them, but I still don't think they even know what 911 is. That really isn't symbolic, anyway. June 6 would make more sense, since they consider us the "Great Satan".

I guess symbolism is unimportant, anyway. That pile of smoking rubble where the World Trade Center used to be is quite a symbol by itself.

memyselfI · 09-11-2001, 12:18 PM

Good grief, they have the internet. They know how to read. If they've ever been in a hotel or used a pay phone they know that 911 means emergency in this country.

HC_Chief · 09-11-2001, 12:21 PM

IT DOES NOT MATTER!

It's trivial to the extreme. The death toll could very well reach the TENS OF THOUSANDS and you're concerned with the 'significance' of the date in the minds of the perps who did this?

What the @#&% is wrong with you?

Clint in Wichita · 09-11-2001, 12:27 PM

I agree. I think this is just a case of someone wanting to seem incredibly observant.

You could probably make something like this up for almost every day of the year.

memyselfI · 09-11-2001, 12:40 PM

It DOES matter because this date will probably spawn copy cats over the next few years.

The very act of terrorism exists and thrives on symbolism...

Clint in Wichita · 09-11-2001, 12:46 PM

The date isn't going to "spawn" copycats. The maniacs that decide to commit these acts are going to, anyway, regardless of the date.

If they all decide to attack on 9/11, at least we'll know when it's coming.

If this "symbolism" is real in this case, whoever thought of it is a moron. 911? If this wasn't such a tragedy, I'd laugh. It sounds like something The Little Rascals would come up with.

stevieray · 09-11-2001, 12:57 PM

Godamdn, Denise, there are thousands of people dead, who gives rat's *** about the date. please do not come here and start useless arguements!!!

memyselfI · 09-11-2001, 01:02 PM

sigh.

there is nothing to argue about.

Alittle knowledge of the cultures behind this and the mentality behind terrorism reveals that these events are not done in a vaccum and down to the last detail of date, time, place, and elements will all be used to convey a certain message.

To think this day was picked at random is naive. The date probably has a variety of symbolic relevance to the perps.

Marty McDonald · 09-11-2001, 01:03 PM

Clint-

You are a homer. I like your posts for the most part, but my post was not meant to prove that I was incredibly observent. People in the Middle East thrive on symbols. It is how they relate. The reference as America being a nasty snake is a signifcant one and one that is commonly used over there on a daily basis.

The intent of the post was to bring up that it was ironic that the event happended on 9-11. Just because you don't think that "911" means anything outside the US, doesn't mean that is the case. These people know America back and front. They know how to get onto planes with guns bypassing security. I am not saying they planned it for this day, but I just find it ironic.

The phrase American and United mean more to these sicko's than Northwest, Delta, or any other carrier. I am not here to start a pissing contest with you, rather I am just sharing my thoughts.

[img]http://www.drudgereport.com/wt.jpg[/img]

Clint in Wichita · 09-11-2001, 01:06 PM

I get your point, but those symbols only mean something to the uneducated, brainwashed, inbred, backwards idiots that support terrorist actions against the USA. They should mean nothing to American citizens.

The lack of a World Trade Center is all the symbol I need.

htismaqe · 09-11-2001, 01:08 PM

If you'd like a better speculation on what the potential symbolism of this date could be, read:

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34190,00.html[/url]

September 11th is a very important date to Palestinian radicals...

09-11-2001, 11:46 AM	Topic Starter
FedEx Marty "I wanna start a bar fight!" Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $10004900	Symbolism: From Dates To Planes Somebody else mentioned this earlier: "9-11". As I woke up this morning about a 10 till 6 out in Arizona, I woke to see something quite odd on TV. As my eyes grogged-out and I could see, I knew something wasn't right. Then, just minutes later another plane crashed into the WTC. The date? 9-11-01. The symbolism: You call that number when you have an emergency and today we had one. The other thing that I find interesting is the choice of airlines: American & United. It really doesn't take a genius to understand the meaning of this. Sadly, we lost a lot of good people today. People that didn't deserve to die. More importantly, terroism has finally become entrenched on American soil. We have done our share to protect the world in all corners from Idonesia to Khazitkhan. Now, we have to address the issue and align ourselves with foreign countries and bring mass-terroism to an end before more attacks like this occur. Like it or not, but the way the world opperates changed today. Our freedom was challenged. Our way of life was challenged. How we respond will ultimately decide how countries deal with us. How President Bush responds will send a strong message that he is either a leader or a coward. Our response needs to be swift, severe and memorable. If it is discovered that Osama bin Laden was responsible...well, we need to sweep Afghanistan until we find him. In closing, I leave you with this: "Demonstrators distributed candy in a traditional gesture of celebration. Several Palestinian gunmen shot in the air, while other marchers carried Palestinian flags. Nawal Abdel Fatah, 48, wearing a long, black dress, threw sweets in the air, saying she was happy because "America is the head of the snake, America always stands by Israel in its war against us." My response: *****, you haven't seen a snake this pissed off.
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09-11-2001, 12:08 PM	#2
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I think the "911" thing is a coincidence. Those religious psychos don't even know what "911" is. In their homeland, the equivalent of 911 is a camel carrying brown ground water. As far as the airlines of choice, they were going after the planes with the most fuel. United and American are 2 of the most popular airlines in the country, so if you hijack planes ANYWHERE in the country, there's a good chance that at least one of them would be from one of these airlines. They LEVELED the WORLD TRADE CENTER! I don't think the name on the side of the airplane is needed to get their point across.
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09-11-2001, 12:10 PM	#3
memyselfI CHANGEd your mind yet???? Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lunatics Anonymous Casino cash: $10005234	Don't underestimate ANY seemingly coincidental symbolism here... to do so would be a huge mistake. Trust me, symbollism is huge with these people.
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09-11-2001, 12:14 PM	#4
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	911 means nothing outside of the US. The date is a coincidence - and it does not matter what these dirtballs consider 'symbolic'... nor does the importance of such. An act of war must be dealt with swiftly and with deadly efficiency. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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09-11-2001, 12:14 PM	#5
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Symbolism may be huge with them, but I still don't think they even know what 911 is. That really isn't symbolic, anyway. June 6 would make more sense, since they consider us the "Great Satan". I guess symbolism is unimportant, anyway. That pile of smoking rubble where the World Trade Center used to be is quite a symbol by itself.
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09-11-2001, 12:18 PM	#6
memyselfI CHANGEd your mind yet???? Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lunatics Anonymous Casino cash: $10005234	Good grief, they have the internet. They know how to read. If they've ever been in a hotel or used a pay phone they know that 911 means emergency in this country.
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09-11-2001, 12:21 PM	#7
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	IT DOES NOT MATTER! It's trivial to the extreme. The death toll could very well reach the TENS OF THOUSANDS and you're concerned with the 'significance' of the date in the minds of the perps who did this? What the @#&% is wrong with you? __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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09-11-2001, 12:27 PM	#8
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I agree. I think this is just a case of someone wanting to seem incredibly observant. You could probably make something like this up for almost every day of the year.
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09-11-2001, 12:40 PM	#9
memyselfI CHANGEd your mind yet???? Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lunatics Anonymous Casino cash: $10005234	It DOES matter because this date will probably spawn copy cats over the next few years. The very act of terrorism exists and thrives on symbolism...
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09-11-2001, 12:46 PM	#10
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	The date isn't going to "spawn" copycats. The maniacs that decide to commit these acts are going to, anyway, regardless of the date. If they all decide to attack on 9/11, at least we'll know when it's coming. If this "symbolism" is real in this case, whoever thought of it is a moron. 911? If this wasn't such a tragedy, I'd laugh. It sounds like something The Little Rascals would come up with.
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09-11-2001, 12:57 PM	#11
stevieray Most things I worry about… Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Under Pressure Casino cash: $-1374727	Godamdn, Denise, there are thousands of people dead, who gives rat's *** about the date. please do not come here and start useless arguements!!!
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09-11-2001, 01:02 PM	#12
memyselfI CHANGEd your mind yet???? Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lunatics Anonymous Casino cash: $10005234	sigh. there is nothing to argue about. Alittle knowledge of the cultures behind this and the mentality behind terrorism reveals that these events are not done in a vaccum and down to the last detail of date, time, place, and elements will all be used to convey a certain message. To think this day was picked at random is naive. The date probably has a variety of symbolic relevance to the perps.
Posts: 32,000

09-11-2001, 01:03 PM	#13
Marty McDonald Save Our Chiefs Guy Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Red Lobster Casino cash: $9994900	Clint- You are a homer. I like your posts for the most part, but my post was not meant to prove that I was incredibly observent. People in the Middle East thrive on symbols. It is how they relate. The reference as America being a nasty snake is a signifcant one and one that is commonly used over there on a daily basis. The intent of the post was to bring up that it was ironic that the event happended on 9-11. Just because you don't think that "911" means anything outside the US, doesn't mean that is the case. These people know America back and front. They know how to get onto planes with guns bypassing security. I am not saying they planned it for this day, but I just find it ironic. The phrase American and United mean more to these sicko's than Northwest, Delta, or any other carrier. I am not here to start a pissing contest with you, rather I am just sharing my thoughts. [img]http://www.drudgereport.com/wt.jpg[/img]
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09-11-2001, 01:06 PM	#14
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I get your point, but those symbols only mean something to the uneducated, brainwashed, inbred, backwards idiots that support terrorist actions against the USA. They should mean nothing to American citizens. The lack of a World Trade Center is all the symbol I need.
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09-11-2001, 01:08 PM	#15
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8089900	If you'd like a better speculation on what the potential symbolism of this date could be, read: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34190,00.html[/url] September 11th is a very important date to Palestinian radicals...
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