Chiefs What Clark has created by NOT firing Herm immediately...

FloridaMan88 · 12-30-2008, 12:36 AM

UNCERTAINTY...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/957115.html

Uncertainty hangs over the Chiefs
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

The typical last-day-of-school scenes played out at the Chiefs’ Truman Sports Complex practice facility Monday. Players said their goodbyes and walked out for the season carrying black trash bags loaded with their belongings.

Each year, the tableaus carry an overwhelming sense of finality. This year, there’s also the awareness that they could eventually return to a very different world.

The next time the Chiefs convene as a group, sometime in March or April, they will have a new general manager — and perhaps a new coach. That means uncertainty for all, even players who are sure of having a job next season.

One is safety Jarrad Page. One of the Chiefs’ better defensive players, Page has known only one head coach, defensive coordinator and secondary coach in his three NFL seasons.

When he’s back in the spring, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham and David Gibbs could be working elsewhere.

“I try not to think about it,” Page said. “So many scenarios can go through your head. Who could it be in the end? What kind of guy would it be? I don’t know.

“I feel I can work with people. Whatever decision is made, I’ll be fine and I feel this team will be fine. I won’t figure out how I’m going to deal with it until I figure out what the situation is.

“I don’t think players are getting too stressed out about it. Whatever’s going to happen is going to happen.”

Edwards and his staff still had their jobs Monday. They most likely will at least until chairman Clark Hunt hires a new general manager to replace the departed Carl Peterson. The two will then decide whether Edwards will be retained.

Until then, Edwards is going about his business, but he acknowledged during Monday’s occasionally awkward season-ending news conference that some of the business he might normally tend to at this point is off-limits because of his tenuous situation.

Edwards might like to make changes on his staff, particularly the defensive assistants, but that apparently will have to wait.

“I’m not free to do anything except evaluate our players until we find out who the GM is and he comes in and decides what he’s going to do,” Edwards said. “We’re going to continue to evaluate our players.”

That state of limbo has Edwards in an uncomfortable position.

Edwards said he wants to finish what he’s started with the Chiefs but won’t promote himself to Hunt or the next general manager.

“I’m not one to try and build cases,” Edwards said. “I let my work speak for itself, and that’s the bottom line. I’m not big on promoting Herman Edwards. I never have been, and I’m not going to start now. I’ve been in this business too long. I’ve tried to do things the right way. I’ve tried to do the thing right for this organization and this football team. I know it was the right thing to do. You do the right things for the right reasons. You don’t do them (for personal reasons).

“I’m pretty sure when there’s a new GM, he’s going to know who I am, unless he’s not an American. I’ve been in this business 30 years. What do I have to do? He’s got to make a decision what he wants to do. He’s got to look at it and say, ‘Is this guy the right guy?’ If he’s not, that’s OK. That’s his decision and I’m OK with that.”

Whether the Chiefs are coached by Edwards or someone else, they’ve got some work to do filling in holes on their roster. The Chiefs could use a pass-rushing defensive end and a couple of linebackers. The offensive line needs some work, and the Chiefs, as always, are looking for a franchise quarterback.

“On defense, I think three (players), four maybe,” Edwards said, when asked how many new starters the Chiefs need. “On offense, you probably need two and then you’re pretty good. The rest of the team is going to be back, 85 percent of these kids are going to come back and they’re going to have experience.

“There are still some pieces missing. That will be corrected in the draft and some in free-agency. This team going through this has a lot of money under the cap. That’s part of the process, too, when you’re trying to rebuild.”

Roster turnover won’t be as great as last year, when the Chiefs lopped several starters after a 4-12 season. It was clear changes then were coming, but they were obvious and didn’t involve the front office.

This time, the way the Chiefs are doing business will change.

“When you make changes in the front office, there’s a lot of things that are unknown,” said cornerback Patrick Surtain, who has likely played his last game with the Chiefs. “Guys can bring in their own people, and nobody knows what that means for any of us. The young guys, the draft picks, they’re safe. The rest of us, you can just hope things work out.”

**007** · 12-30-2008, 12:38 AM

I don't think Page has anything to worry about.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-30-2008, 12:42 AM

5-7 players total? That's gonna make the jump from 2-14 to 10-6? He's clueless.

dallaschiefsfan · 12-30-2008, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

5-7 players total? That's gonna make the jump from 2-14 to 10-6? He's clueless.

Well...yes and no. He's clueless if he thinks that's all it takes for HIM and HIS staff to make a run. However, I think another coach and staff could be less than 5 players away from a serious run.

Herm would need the 90's Cowboys to make a run at this point...similar to what Barry Switzer walked into...but like Switzer, Herm would eventually screw it up.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2008, 12:46 AM

Right Tackle, Right Guard, Center, DE, MLB, OLB, WR.

Sounds about right to me.

smittysbar · 12-30-2008, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Right Tackle, Right Guard, Center, DE, MLB, OLB, WR.

Sounds about right to me.

Can you not count.

Herm:

Quote:

“On defense, I think three (players), four maybe,” Edwards said, when asked how many new starters the Chiefs need. “On offense, you probably need two and then you’re pretty good. The rest of the team is going to be back, 85 percent of these kids are going to come back and they’re going to have experience.

Offense 2: you list 4 (which is not 2) how about QB (5) RB (6)
Defense 3 maybe 4: you got that correct, though is one guy on the worst Defensive line in NFL history going to fix it...Doubtful. And is one LB going to fix that, and how about safety?

The only way we are six players away is if they bring in the best six players on the team........NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2008, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smittysbar

Can you not count.

Herm:
Offense 2: you list 4 (which is not 2) how about QB (5) RB (6)
Defense 3 maybe 4: you got that correct, though is one guy on the worst Defensive line in NFL history going to fix it...Doubtful. And is one LB going to fix that, and how about safety?

The only way we are six players away is if they bring in the best six players on the team........NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

If Herm thinks that Richardson or Taylor is going to start at right tackle and possibly, both starting at right tackle and right guard respectively, then maybe he's right. That would only leave the Center position and a running back/QB.

To be honest (and I've stated this before), I have NO IDEA where Herm's getting his numbers. I don't know if he's referring to starters or if he's referring to the entire roster.

I guess the reporters should have asked him to clarify but once again, they failed to do so.

I blame Claythan.

smittysbar · 12-30-2008, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If Herm thinks that Richardson or Taylor is going to start at right tackle and possibly, both starting at right tackle and right guard respectively, then maybe he's right. That would only leave the Center position and a running back/QB.

To be honest (and I've stated this before), I have NO IDEA where Herm's getting his numbers. I don't know if he's referring to starters or if he's referring to the entire roster.

I guess the reporters should have asked him to clarify but once again, they failed to do so.

I blame Claythan.

It has to be starters, because six players away, would have to be six players better than anyone on this roster, to come here, which would make them starters.

Hammock Parties · 12-30-2008, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I guess the reporters should have asked him to clarify but once again, they failed to do so.

He would have just given some vague bullshit answer or acted all arrogant about not wanting to let other teams' know their draft strategies.

But he is completely delusional for thinking this team is that close.

Of course he wants all the wonderdummies back on the coaching staff.

Whee!!

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2008, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

He would have just given some vague bullshit answer or acted all arrogant about not wanting to let other teams' know their draft strategies.

But he is completely delusional for thinking this team is that close.

Of course he wants all the wonderdummies back on the coaching staff.

Whee!!

Regardless, the question should have been asked.

To think otherwise is either lazy or stupid.

And I'm not implying that you're either.

beach tribe · 12-30-2008, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Right Tackle, Right Guard, Center, DE, MLB, OLB, WR.

Sounds about right to me.

Unless you add QB to that list, you're looking at 8-8. YAAAAAY!!!.

Hammock Parties · 12-30-2008, 12:48 AM

To the bitter end, eh Dane?

What are you going to say when Herm is fired?

That Clark is a moron?

**BossChief** · 12-30-2008, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

To the bitter end, eh Dane?

What are you going to say when Herm is fired?

That Clark is a moron?

what is wrong with his post?

If we had a pass rush we would have heald a couple of those leads, if we had a solid player to quarterback the defense, our rush defense would be better, giving us possible another 2 wins, let us have a right side of the line we can run behind consistatly and you have another win or two, a WR that would catch the easy ones as well as the circus ones would be a huge asset and would let TT be comfortable throwing all over the field again like the first couple games with Bradley, a pss rushing OLB would give us a better pass rush and would aid in us winning some of teh 8 games we lost by a TD or less...

Maybe Im just new here and dont get your point, but seven players seems right about the need...

Hammock Parties · 12-30-2008, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

what is wrong with his post?

He agrees with Herm.

We need replacements at

QB
C
RG
RT

RDE
MLB
OLB
SS

We also need a legit third wide receiver and a legit strongside defensive end, but I'll be nice and say Franklin and Hali can fill those spots. I'm not even going to get into the rest of the depth we need. Good defenses have a hell of a lot more than one pass rushing defensive end.

Either way we're gonna suck next year. Herm has already proven he's a terrible judge of talent.

He wants to go into the year with his golden boy Thigpen, anyway. Woohoo!

ToxSocks · 12-30-2008, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

He agrees with Herm.

We need replacements at

QB
C
RG
RT

RDE
MLB
OLB
SS

We also need a legit third wide receiver and a legit strongside defensive end, but I'll be nice and say Franklin and Hali can fill those spots. I'm not even going to get into the rest of the depth we need. Good defenses have a hell of a lot more than one pass rushing defensive end.

Either way we're gonna suck next year. Herm has already proven he's a terrible judge of talent.

He wants to go into the year with his golden boy Thigpen, anyway. Woohoo!

You have become real bitter lately

12-30-2008, 12:36 AM	Topic Starter
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