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View Poll Results: Who should be National Champion?
Florida 24 34.78%
Utah 31 44.93%
USC 8 11.59%
Texas 2 2.90%
Other 2 2.90%
Gaz 2 2.90%
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:36 PM   Topic Starter
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Screw the BCS. Now that all the smoke has cleared, who do YOU think should be the National Champion?

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Old 01-08-2009, 11:44 PM   #2
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:45 PM   #3
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I don't have a problem with Florida, they held an offense that pretty much no one else could stop to 14 pts.
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:47 PM   #4
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I don't have a problem with Florida, they held an offense that pretty much no one else could stop to 14 pts.


Those pesky Big 12 Defenses!


I cant vote, voting is so now NCAA... With out a playoff, its pointless..
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:11 AM   #5
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I can't get myself to pick Utah. I'm much more impressed by Florida.
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:14 AM   #6
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:17 AM   #7
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:46 PM   #8
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:47 PM   #9
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:17 AM   #10
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College football has two choices for determining a NC. They could use a tournament or a ratings based system. If the NCAA had chosen a tournament, those who pimp Utah based on their undefeated record would be completely correct (assuming Utah went through the tournament undefeated).

But the NCAA chose a ratings based system. And in a ratings based system one would presume you are looking form some kind of estimate for the best team. Does anyone think Utah would beat Florida, Oklahoma, or USC in a best of 7 tournament? If the answer is no, you shouldn't pimp them for a NC in a ratings based system.

A one-loss team can still easily be the best team in the nation. Whether Utah pimpers realize it or not, it is a stochastic world, and we're living in it.
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College football has two choices for determining a NC. They could use a tournament or a ratings based system. If the NCAA had chosen a tournament, those who pimp Utah based on their undefeated record would be completely correct (assuming Utah went through the tournament undefeated).

But the NCAA chose a ratings based system. And in a ratings based system one would presume you are looking form some kind of estimate for the best team. Does anyone think Utah would beat Florida, Oklahoma, or USC in a best of 7 tournament? If the answer is no, you shouldn't pimp them for a NC in a ratings based system.

A one-loss team can still easily be the best team in the nation. Whether Utah pimpers realize it or not, it is a stochastic world, and we're living in it.
The NFL does not even use a best of seven system. Why the heck would you pull that out? It has always been one and done.
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The NFL does not even use a best of seven system. Why the heck would you pull that out? It has always been one and done.
Tournament = one and done (at least for football). If there is an upset it is part of the system, and that's the way it is.

Ratings based system = what is the best team despite the records. One way to ascertain this is to play a mental tournament, of who would win the majority of games if the series were long enough. This negates the effect of upsets. 7 games seems long enough to dispel any notions of Utah making a run on any of the elite teams.

In a ratings based system you are trying to answer the question, who would win a best of 7 round-robin tournament (each team plays all the others 7 times) between:

Florida
OK
USC
Texas

Or if you want to make the argument that Utah would beat all of these teams 4 out of 7 times, be my guest.

This is why ratings based systems suck. You are always left with these stupid arguments at the end.
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