Football Did Officiating Sway the Outcome of Super Bowl XLIII?

**Buck** · 02-02-2009, 12:17 PM

Yes or No?

Poll to follow.

P.S. No Gaz option.

**Buck** · 02-02-2009, 12:22 PM

Ok, now why I think it did.

1. The mystery second that ticked off the clock before the first 2 minute warning.

2. The iffy facemask called on Rodgers-Cromartie (that could have just as easily been called on the Running Back)

3. The bad Roughing the Passer Call

4. The questionable call at the end of the game (Warner forward pass)

Not to be biased, I don't think there was enough evidence to overturn Roethlisbergers 1st drive TD that was called back.

Lex Luthors · 02-02-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding

4. The questionable call at the end of the game (Warner forward pass)

What forward pass?

Oh, you mean the play where the ball was knocked out of his hand and landed at his feet, well before his arm started going forward?

**Buck** · 02-02-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lex Luthor

What forward pass?

Oh, you mean the play where the ball was knocked out of his hand and landed at his feet, well before his arm started going forward?

Actually the ball was not slipping out of his hand until his arm was moving forward. The way the defender was touching the ball was keeping it in the control of Warner's hand. By the letter of the law, I believe it was a forward pass.

Take a look at it again. The ball did not land at his feet, and the ball was not slipping before his arm was moving forward.

EyePod · 02-02-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding

Actually the ball was not slipping out of his hand until his arm was moving forward. The way the defender was touching the ball was keeping it in the control of Warner's hand. By the letter of the law, I believe it was a forward pass.

Take a look at it again. The ball did not land at his feet, and the ball was not slipping before his arm was moving forward.

The ball was spinning before his arm went forward. At least that's the way I saw it.

EyePod · 02-02-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

The ball was spinning before his arm went forward. At least that's the way I saw it.

And the worst part is that if everyone can't agree about it now, after seeing a bunch of replays of it, how could the replay assistant quickly ascertain whether or not he had control?

EyePod · 02-02-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lex Luthor

What forward pass?

Oh, you mean the play where the ball was knocked out of his hand and landed at his feet, well before his arm started going forward?

This is what I was asking. Does a QB need possession of the ball to complete a forward pass? I think everyone can agree (unless they're completely stupid) that Warner lost possession of the ball, but the pushed it forward (I like to use the term "shot put."). If a QB doesn't need possession to make the forward pass, then it should have been incomplete. I was hoping someone could back this up with an actual rule...and I looked in the 2006 rulebook and couldn't find anything saying that you needed to have possession to throw the ball (I know it sounds counter-intuitive....).

**SAUTO** · 02-02-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

This is what I was asking. Does a QB need possession of the ball to complete a forward pass? I think everyone can agree (unless they're completely stupid) that Warner lost possession of the ball, but the pushed it forward (I like to use the term "shot put."). If a QB doesn't need possession to make the forward pass, then it should have been incomplete. I was hoping someone could back this up with an actual rule...and I looked in the 2006 rulebook and couldn't find anything saying that you needed to have possession to throw the ball (I know it sounds counter-intuitive....).

IIRC the Qb HAS to have possesion

EyePod · 02-02-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

IIRC the Qb HAS to have possesion

Right, I figure the same thing, but I was hoping for a link.

BigCatDaddy · 02-02-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lex Luthor

What forward pass?

Oh, you mean the play where the ball was knocked out of his hand and landed at his feet, well before his arm started going forward?

You might be right, but it needed to be reviewed at a minimum. If I'm Whisenhunt(sp), I throwing the red flag out there just to stop the game and let someone know they need to be doing their job(even though I know I can't challenge it).

**SAUTO** · 02-02-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

You might be right, but it needed to be reviewed at a minimum. If I'm Whisenhunt(sp), I throwing the red flag out there just to stop the game and let someone know they need to be doing their job(even though I know I can't challenge it).

delay of game penalty and the game's over anyway

BigCatDaddy · 02-02-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

delay of game penalty and the game's over anyway

Interesting, I didn't know that.

I remember Gun tossing that thing out there for all kinds of crazy crap that couldn't be challenged.

DenverChief · 02-03-2009, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lex Luthor

What forward pass?

Oh, you mean the play where the ball was knocked out of his hand and landed at his feet, well before his arm started going forward?

FORWARD PASS!

orange · 02-03-2009, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

FORWARD PASS!

Totally unconvincing. Where are the other angles, the closeups, etc. The video poster left them out because they don't support his point.

You can always find some people who will doubt every call in every game. "We wuz robbed" has been the fans' lament for centuries. You can ask, "well, why wasn't it reviewed?" The simple answer is that IT WAS REVIEWED - at least, that's what the NFL says.*

My question to those who believe the NFL/refs cheated the Cardinals (and so many other teams before them), and are lying now to cover it up - why do you keep giving them your money? Do you enjoy being fleeced by conmen?

*An NFL spokesman said yesterday that the play was reviewed in the booth by replay assistant Bob McGrath. He determined that the play was clearly a fumble and there was no reason for referee Terry McAulay to review it.

Mike Pereira, the NFL's vice president of officiating, reviewed the play and confirmed it was called correctly, according to the spokesman.

"The play was reviewed and confirmed by the replay assistant in the booth," Greg Aiello, the NFL's senior vice president of public relations, said in a written statement. "That is standard procedure. If it is clear, there is no reason to send it to the referee. Mike Pereira said it was properly handled. It was a fumble."

On the replay, it appeared that the ball was knocked from Warner's hand and he no longer was in control of the ball by the time his arm was moving forward.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020202809.html

DenverChief · 02-03-2009, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by orange

Totally unconvincing. Where are the other angles, the closeups, etc. The video poster left them out because they don't support his point.

WTF are you talking about those are all the angles...the ball didn't leave his hand until it reached the end of his throwing motion then it went flying forward.....not down towards the ground or backward....forward pass genius!

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Buck Take a Chill Pill Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Casino cash: $5980295	Ok, now why I think it did. 1. The mystery second that ticked off the clock before the first 2 minute warning. 2. The iffy facemask called on Rodgers-Cromartie (that could have just as easily been called on the Running Back) 3. The bad Roughing the Passer Call 4. The questionable call at the end of the game (Warner forward pass) Not to be biased, I don't think there was enough evidence to overturn Roethlisbergers 1st drive TD that was called back.
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