Mike Mayock's 10 draft nuggets:

Deberg_1990 · 04-08-2009, 05:18 PM

Courtesy of Peter King..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...aft/index.html

Ten Nuggets Mined From Mayock

1. "This is by far the worst year for the top 10 that I've seen. Down around 18, 20, you'll get every bit the player you'll get in the top 10 for a third of the price.''

2. His gut feeling is Detroit's taking Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford with the first pick of the draft.

3. "I can't bang the table for Stafford the way I did for Matt Ryan last year. I don't see an elite player in him every time I watch, which you need to see if you're taking a quarterback that high.''

4. Mayock, if he had his choice of first-round picks for talent and value, would be around 22. "The value in this draft is at 15 and beyond.''

5. He says eight or nine tight ends will be drafted in the first three rounds. He loves the best of the bunch, Oklahoma State's Brandon Pettigrew. (I'd love to see the Bills land him, by the way. Perfect offensive weapon for a coordinator, Turk Schonert, who loves to use the tight end.)

6. He likes Eugene Monroe over Jason Smith, if you're picking a franchise tackle. "Smith's got a better upside. Very aggressive. But Monroe's got the best feet in the draft. He's a really accomplished technician.''

7. He thinks Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry -- who Detroit would play at middle linebacker if the Lions made him the first pick of the draft -- would be optimally used at strongside linebacker in the 4-3 because he can cover, he can play physically over the tight end, and he's got upside pass-rushing ability.

8. He's scared of Brian Orakpo, the Texas defensive end who's the apple of a few teams' eyes in the top half of the first round. "Buyer beware,'' Mayock said. "He's boom or bust. I don't know if he's DeMarcus Ware or Vernon Gholston. I've seen him have some really good games, and I've seen what I considered to be Brandon Pettigrew tearing him apart. The point is, I don't see it all the time from Orakpo, which concerns me.''

9. Of the elite quarterbacks, he likes USC's Mark Sanchez the best. "He's the most ready made for the pro game right now.''

10. If you need a cornerback in this draft, sit it out. There are no corners even well above average, never mind great.

A year ago, Mayock told me he liked Ryan, who played four years at Boston College, more than he'd liked any quarterback to come out in years. Not the case with the three early entry passers this year -- Stafford, Sanchez and Kansas State's Josh Freeman. "In the last 15 years, there have been 11 underclass quarterbacks taken in the first round,'' he said. "Of those 11, Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers are the only clear successes. It's a dangerous thing, picking young quarterbacks so high.''

Saccopoo · 04-08-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

"In the last 15 years, there have been 11 underclass quarterbacks taken in the first round,'' he said. "Of those 11, Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers are the only clear successes. It's a dangerous thing, picking young quarterbacks so high.''

Oh noes!!!!!!!!!!

Apparently they don't have an understanding of the miracles that will soon be provided by St. Sanchez. I mean, I was told by a number of "insiders" that he is the only quarterback that the Chiefs might have a chance at that will become the golden child, the FRANCHISE, and lead us to the promised land. His disciples still want the Chiefs to pick him, knowing for sure of his future success - history be damned, so that their beloved saviour will give them the QBOTF in a draft that has so desperately eluded them since 1983.

So, eff you Mayock. And eff you history. St. Sanchez will soon be blessing Arrowhead.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-08-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

Oh noes!!!!!!!!!!

Apparently they don't have an understanding of the miracles that will soon be provided by St. Sanchez. I mean, I was told by a number of "insiders" that he is the only quarterback that the Chiefs might have a chance at that will become the golden child, the FRANCHISE, and lead us to the promised land. His disciples still want the Chiefs to pick him, knowing for sure of his future success - history be damned, so that their beloved saviour will give them the QBOTF in a draft that has so desperately eluded them since 1983.

So, eff you Mayock. And eff you history. St. Sanchez will soon be blessing Arrowhead.

Stafford and Freeman are underclassmen as well

**The Franchise** · 04-08-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

Oh noes!!!!!!!!!!

Apparently they don't have an understanding of the miracles that will soon be provided by St. Sanchez. I mean, I was told by a number of "insiders" that he is the only quarterback that the Chiefs might have a chance at that will become the golden child, the FRANCHISE, and lead us to the promised land. His disciples still want the Chiefs to pick him, knowing for sure of his future success - history be damned, so that their beloved saviour will give them the QBOTF in a draft that has so desperately eluded them since 1983.

So, eff you Mayock. And eff you history. St. Sanchez will soon be blessing Arrowhead.

Of the elite quarterbacks, he likes USC's Mark Sanchez the best. "He's the most ready made for the pro game right now.''

Dipshit.

Saccopoo · 04-08-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Of the elite quarterbacks, he likes USC's Mark Sanchez the best. "He's the most ready made for the pro game right now.''

Dipshit.

I am but a worm...

Apostle Mayock is correct and I should subject or subjugate myself for chastisement by the chosen ones for my transgressions. I lay myself before you oh disciples of the Saint, my sins of ignorance and dipshittery laid bare before your wisdom, so that you may judge and punish me accordingly.

It is history that shall be damned! St. Sanchez shall rise above even the pillars of glory built by the first born, Roethlisberger, and will guild the streets of Kansas City in gold, and wine shall flow as we, his disciples, rejoice in bliss and merriment as the Chiefs draft his holiness knowing that the Prophet, the Oracle, Mayock, has foreseen his greatness, mirroring the intuitive wisdom of his CP flock.

Blessings to the Cult of St. Sanchez and all of it's wisdom and glory!

ncCHIEFfan · 04-08-2009, 05:34 PM

umm....are you OK?

Chiefnj2 · 04-08-2009, 06:29 PM

Sanchez has very good feet and mechanics, good leadership and an above average arm. He seems to have the it factor. But, to say a guy with one year starting experience is the "most ready for the NFL right now" is perplexing.

htismaqe · 04-08-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Sanchez has very good feet and mechanics, good leadership and an above average arm. He seems to have the it factor. But, to say a guy with one year starting experience is the "most ready for the NFL right now" is perplexing.

At least you're reasonable about it.

Saccogoo has become a parody of himself. He's become more inflexible than the people he's arguing against.

Saccopoo · 04-08-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

At least you're reasonable about it.

Saccogoo has become a parody of himself. He's become more inflexible than the people he's arguing against.

C'mon Htis. I'm just trying to have a little fun, and there is no way that I'm as inflexible as the others.

And you know that I would love the possibility of trading down in this draft given the Chiefs situation with the players on the top of the board.

However, I don't necessarily know if Mayock is entirely correct in that there is no top talent in this draft. Last years draft looks quite suspect compared to this one, especially in the tackle and quarterback position. I remember that people around here were just waiting for the opportunity to even have a shot at Oher, and that was even after we drafted Albert.

The three top quarterbacks look quite good, especially when you look at the pre-draft potential of someone like Ryan and Flacco and Russell. Stafford, Sanchez and Freeman all look like upgrades. Add to that that many are touting Curry as the best LB prospect available in a long time, superior interior lineman, particularly centers, edge rushers that easily surpass last years class, etc.

I don't know why everyone around here is having a fit about this being a bad draft. It actually looks like a pretty damn good draft and a deep one at that. The only problem that the Chiefs face is that they have players at the positions that are on the top of the boards, or so I would assume. There's no real dominant 3-4 DE, no pure 3-4 ROLB or no truly dominant 3-4 NT, and that's what the Chiefs would really like to spend that #3 pick on.

htismaqe · 04-08-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

C'mon Htis. I'm just trying to have a little fun, and there is no way that I'm as inflexible as the others.

And you know that I would love the possibility of trading down in this draft given the Chiefs situation with the players on the top of the board.

However, I don't necessarily know if Mayock is entirely correct in that there is no top talent in this draft. Last years draft looks quite suspect compared to this one, especially in the tackle and quarterback position. I remember that people around here were just waiting for the opportunity to even have a shot at Oher, and that was even after we drafted Albert.

The three top quarterbacks look quite good, especially when you look at the pre-draft potential of someone like Ryan and Flacco and Russell. Stafford, Sanchez and Freeman all look like upgrades. Add to that that many are touting Curry as the best LB prospect available in a long time, superior interior lineman, particularly centers, edge rushers that easily surpass last years class, etc.

I don't know why everyone around here is having a fit about this being a bad draft. It actually looks like a pretty damn good draft and a deep one at that. The only problem that the Chiefs face is that they have players at the positions that are on the top of the boards, or so I would assume. There's no real dominant 3-4 DE, no pure 3-4 ROLB or no truly dominant 3-4 NT, and that's what the Chiefs would really like to spend that #3 pick on.

It isn't a bad draft AT ALL. It's just not the right draft to have the #3 pick. It's one of the deepest defensive drafts in a while, IMO. But we pick 3rd and we need to be picking about 15th.

Stafford and Sanchez are every bit the prospects that Ryan was, but after that there's just not much.

I don't know that Jason Smith is a better prospect than Joe Thomas, who was the last great prospect at LT. Last year's class was deep, but pretty flawed. Jake Long was really better-suited for RT and needed help all year. Clady had to go to a zone-blocking team that had the exact right offense for his skills but lack of strength. Albert did fairly well for being an OG. And the rest of the crop was either hurt or moved around.

The edge rushers in this year's draft aren't great - there's no elite DE in this draft. And there's definitely no premiere 3-4 OLB in this draft. I know you won't agree, but even if Curry was the best ILB prospect in 20 years, he still wouldn't be worth a top 5 pick. And I don't think he's a better prospect than Patrick Willis, who was taken 11th.

Saccopoo · 04-08-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I know you won't agree, but even if Curry was the best ILB prospect in 20 years, he still wouldn't be worth a top 5 pick. And I don't think he's a better prospect than Patrick Willis, who was taken 11th.

I'm just not sold on the "not worth the ... pick" concept. It is what it is. Typically, an ILB, even a great one, is not selected that high. However, there have been plenty of busts at that pick spent on guys whose position supposedly justified the lofty pick. It's rare, but if a team feels like he's the guy, and will be in the top at his position and has a need, it's not a real stretch to get a player generally regarded as "best" even though he doesn't play one of those big money positions.

With regards to Willis, he was the guy I wanted the Chiefs to end up with in the 2007 draft. Didn't happen, and I'm pretty happy that Dwayne Bowe fell to us at 24, and I see the same type of player/contributor in Curry that I saw in Willis. Problem with this draft is, Curry stands out over the others, particularly the defensive players, and I don't think that he'll be there if the Chiefs even trade down to say, the 12 spot. I like the potential of Maualuga, particularly as a Mike in a 3-4, or say Laurenitis as a MLB in a 4-3 (and who knows what the Chiefs end up with), or the potential of Clint Sintim (who looks to be the best all around ROLB in this draft), or the rush potential of a Larry English. However, are they as good as Curry? Probably not, although Sintim comes the closest.

A trade down for picks would be nice, but it's going to hurt missing out on another Pat Willis/Derrick Brooks if Curry ends up playing to the level that everyone is suggesting he can play at - a couple of mediocre players won't make up for a guy like Willis or Brooks. And I understand that the Stafford/Sanchez crowd feels the same way about that with the Cassel situation. I think Cassel has the potential to be a really good quarterback in the league, so I'm not worried about him as much as losing out on the next Pat Willis, especially considering how bad our defense has been in recent years.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-08-2009, 06:34 PM

It's pretty simple: If Sanchez fails, he can blame it on underclassmen QBs. If he succeeds, he'll say that he claimed Sanchez was the most pro-ready.

It's called being a duplicitous one who sucks the penis.

Coogs · 04-08-2009, 06:44 PM

I watched Path to the Draft tonight. Tonights segment focused on the defensive ends.

Mayock had another gem to add to the list tonight. He is going on record saying that in 3 years, we are going to look back at this draft, and on the defensive side of the ball the best player is going to be...

Robert Ayers DE Tennessee.

**SAUTO** · 04-08-2009, 06:43 PM

aaron rodgers a "clear success"? after one year????

htismaqe · 04-08-2009, 06:44 PM

Anyway, enough about Sanchez, let's talk about his VERY FIRST point.

. "This is by far the worst year for the top 10 that I've seen. Down around 18, 20, you'll get every bit the player you'll get in the top 10 for a third of the price.''

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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $24454	Mike Mayock's 10 draft nuggets: Courtesy of Peter King.. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...aft/index.html Ten Nuggets Mined From Mayock 1. "This is by far the worst year for the top 10 that I've seen. Down around 18, 20, you'll get every bit the player you'll get in the top 10 for a third of the price.'' 2. His gut feeling is Detroit's taking Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford with the first pick of the draft. 3. "I can't bang the table for Stafford the way I did for Matt Ryan last year. I don't see an elite player in him every time I watch, which you need to see if you're taking a quarterback that high.'' 4. Mayock, if he had his choice of first-round picks for talent and value, would be around 22. "The value in this draft is at 15 and beyond.'' 5. He says eight or nine tight ends will be drafted in the first three rounds. He loves the best of the bunch, Oklahoma State's Brandon Pettigrew. (I'd love to see the Bills land him, by the way. Perfect offensive weapon for a coordinator, Turk Schonert, who loves to use the tight end.) 6. He likes Eugene Monroe over Jason Smith, if you're picking a franchise tackle. "Smith's got a better upside. Very aggressive. But Monroe's got the best feet in the draft. He's a really accomplished technician.'' 7. He thinks Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry -- who Detroit would play at middle linebacker if the Lions made him the first pick of the draft -- would be optimally used at strongside linebacker in the 4-3 because he can cover, he can play physically over the tight end, and he's got upside pass-rushing ability. 8. He's scared of Brian Orakpo, the Texas defensive end who's the apple of a few teams' eyes in the top half of the first round. "Buyer beware,'' Mayock said. "He's boom or bust. I don't know if he's DeMarcus Ware or Vernon Gholston. I've seen him have some really good games, and I've seen what I considered to be Brandon Pettigrew tearing him apart. The point is, I don't see it all the time from Orakpo, which concerns me.'' 9. Of the elite quarterbacks, he likes USC's Mark Sanchez the best. "He's the most ready made for the pro game right now.'' 10. If you need a cornerback in this draft, sit it out. There are no corners even well above average, never mind great. A year ago, Mayock told me he liked Ryan, who played four years at Boston College, more than he'd liked any quarterback to come out in years. Not the case with the three early entry passers this year -- Stafford, Sanchez and Kansas State's Josh Freeman. "In the last 15 years, there have been 11 underclass quarterbacks taken in the first round,'' he said. "Of those 11, Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers are the only clear successes. It's a dangerous thing, picking young quarterbacks so high.''
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Sanchez has very good feet and mechanics, good leadership and an above average arm. He seems to have the it factor. But, to say a guy with one year starting experience is the "most ready for the NFL right now" is perplexing. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	It's pretty simple: If Sanchez fails, he can blame it on underclassmen QBs. If he succeeds, he'll say that he claimed Sanchez was the most pro-ready. It's called being a duplicitous one who sucks the penis. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2345651	I watched Path to the Draft tonight. Tonights segment focused on the defensive ends. Mayock had another gem to add to the list tonight. He is going on record saying that in 3 years, we are going to look back at this draft, and on the defensive side of the ball the best player is going to be... Robert Ayers DE Tennessee.
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8069900	Anyway, enough about Sanchez, let's talk about his VERY FIRST point. . "This is by far the worst year for the top 10 that I've seen. Down around 18, 20, you'll get every bit the player you'll get in the top 10 for a third of the price.''
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